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5 NL zoom 6max - OP facing shove OTT - Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:23 PM
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Villain: 27 hands, 27/23/9, AF=4, WWSF=3/4

opinions?


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Hero (Button) ($6.33)
SB ($5)
BB ($5.17)
UTG ($5.49)
MP ($5.07)
CO ($5.16)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.85) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.65) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.86, SB raises to $4.20 (All-In), Hero calls $3.34

River: ($10.05) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.05 | Rake: $0.42
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:12 PM
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This is a fairly standard Baluga theorem spot, and I recommend folding to the turn check-raise. You're only beating TT, 99 and , and are crushed by villain's value range overall, which includes small pairs that made sets, 66/A6s that made a straight, and QQ+ that has a better overpair.
It's a small sample size, but this villain has a high 3-bet number, so I'd expect small pairs and some suited aces to be in his light 3-betting range for the SB.
When he check-raises the turn, it's almost never a bluff. Your one pair is no good.


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Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 09:14 PM..
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:19 AM
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Hmm, right. I think this is my downfall as a poker player. I knew I should fold, but then again I thought a) there is no need to shove b) shoving is bad if he has monster c) most logical shove would be having draw d) he is aggressive in nature e)! it is blind situation

Whoa I'm getting better, I did actually thought all that in 5 seconds in the table. Unfortunately I'm still not skilled enough to have reasonable hand range analysis.

I do get these spots right just enough that I keep doing it and never learn the basics.

There is one point to make here thought, in video someone (maybe Gareth) said that baluga theorem doesn’t really hold on 3b pots.

Last edited by braveslice; Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 04:27 AM..
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2013, 05:50 PM
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Your points are well made. I agree that a shove with a value hand is somewhat illogical, but this is 5NL. Villains do illogical things all the time.
That being said, if villain is capable of ranging you, it looks a lot like you have an overpair. If villain has QQ+, a set or a straight, he'll expect you to pay him off, precisely because this is a 3-bet pot.
To some extent, Baluga doesn't apply to 3-bet pots, and it's because of the stack to pot ratio and the fact that it's "standard" to stack off with an overpair in 3-bet pots. The pot is usually so big on the turn, that you are "committed" to calling off the rest of your stack after betting the flop and turn. And that's one of the reasons why villain is shoving for value. He expects you to call. He'd be pretty crazy to shove with a draw in this spot, because you're not going to fold very often.


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Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 05:52 PM..
 

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