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25nl Zoom: Balanced flop raising range - Mon Sep 30, 2013, 05:23 AM
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*please note the title should be raising a cbet, not check/raising

Stats: VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 1.9, Hands: 135




Interesting hand came up vs a 25nl reg where I tried something a little fancy.

Normally any Q on this flop is a completely standard call, so when we raise his cbet he can usually eliminate a Q from our range (I mean, why raise top pair right?).

Boards like this tend to get attacked because it's likely nobody has anything. A lot of players will raise a board like this with straight draws and flush draws whilst also including the occasional monster like sets. This creates a polarized range which can let us get called down lighter by middling strength hands.

I think this type of line can maximize value vs good hand readers, which I believed this reg to be.

Villain had 55

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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 06:37 AM
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I don't get it.
what check raise re you talking about?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 08:07 AM
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I don't get it.
what check raise re you talking about?
Woops. Meant raising his cbet. Edited my post but title didn't change
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 08:46 AM
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Agreed, as you get to higher stakes where players are better/more aggressive you have to start making plays like this one.
Well played and if I was villain I would have folded flop.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:38 AM
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Hi birday,

I agree, this line is fine for balance and I do this as well (also I will not always raise a draw in this spot, since they expect me to... I get less credit for it when I hit and they put me on a Q so I can have a decent success rate bluffing later in the hand when I miss).

In this hand I don't like barreling this turn card. If he has a K he's never folding it, and if he has some weaker pair he might now fold it. And if we check back this turn, it again mis-represents our hand as a draw taking the free card, so we will get bluffed into on blank rivers and check/called by bluff catchers like A3. And if the river is a spade and he leads, we can credibly turn this into a bluff and raise, and a reg will probably fold all Kx hands (never try against a fish though obv).


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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
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In this hand I don't like barreling this turn card. If he has a K he's never folding it, and if he has some weaker pair he might now fold it. And if we check back this turn, it again mis-represents our hand as a draw taking the free card, so we will get bluffed into on blank rivers and check/called by bluff catchers like A3. And if the river is a spade and he leads, we can credibly turn this into a bluff and raise, and a reg will probably fold all Kx hands (never try against a fish though obv).
He doesn't have many Kx in his range though, and it's unlikely to improve either of our hands. If he's known this then the turn is pretty much a brick and we can continue value betting. It's also unlikely we will be raising with a draw and not barreling a card like a K to induce more folds.

At least that's what would be more consistent with a draw I would be playing. Population tendencies could be different.

I do see merits to the line you suggest Dave, but I think barreling off will get more value than inducing a river bluff / hero call.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 12:02 AM
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I do see merits to the line you suggest Dave, but I think barreling off will get more value than inducing a river bluff / hero call.
This assumes we can get 4 streets of value from worse hands on this board (flop bet and raise, turn bet, river bet)... I think that's highly optimistic from a solid reg unless he's very suspicious, not a solid reg (reg-fish?) or on tilt, even blind v blind.


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