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overplayed AK?! not sure - Tue Oct 01, 2013, 08:43 AM
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was this right play or would u recommend me some better one?
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 09:32 AM
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I don't cbet MW without hitting. after I think fold to his check raise would be better , he called cbet OTF and check raised OTT with an Ace. there're no draws that would play that way and there's no 8X except A8 that will play that way. I think I will be behind often enough, i fold there even if board isn't paired .
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 09:56 AM
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i dont like your argument:
"there're no draws that would play that way" , he had 76s here, so same way he could have 9Ts, 9Js, TJs, 45s, 46s,
with my raise preflop i could represent bigpair
he could have been doing something fancy on turn with those draw hands.... since A looks like good card to bluff if i had overpair...

the worst thing i did i think was reraising so small amount in that kind of position, i should have reraised at least 0.24 and play tighter postflop

since i only minreraised it preflop i should have been checkfolding such flop... cuz i was draggin myself into losing 200BB-stack :/

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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GayLooser View Post
i dont like your argument:
"there're no draws that would play that way" , he had 76s here, so same way he could have 9Ts, 9Js, TJs, 45s, 46s,
with my raise preflop i could represent bigpair
he could have been doing something fancy on turn with those draw hands.... since A looks like good card to bluff if i had overpair...

the worst thing i did i think was reraising so small amount in that kind of position, i should have reraised at least 0.24 and play tighter postflop

since i only minreraised it preflop i should have been checkfolding such flop... cuz i was draggin myself into losing 200BB-stack :/
but raising OTT with draw isn't good idea . that's why there're not draws that would play that way on the paired board .
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 11:28 AM
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but raising OTT with draw isn't good idea . that's why there're not draws that would play that way on the paired board .
yes its not, but i told u that he could have been doing that as a good bluff from time to time, thats why i ended up calling him...
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013, 12:29 PM
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Hi GL,

Preflop sizing is definitely too small imo, it looks more like a tournament sizing, which is fine in most middle or late stage MTT play where stacks are all under 50bb's... not so much when stacks are 200+bb's deep.

Flop c-bet is marginal at best in a 3 way pot imo... it interacts better with their ranges than ours and won't be scary to pocket pairs. Additionally, there aren't really many good turn barrel cards for us to keep applying pressure, so we sort of need an A or K mostly. We can bluff a Q or J maybe but in terms of hand equity there's nothing besides an A or K that helps.

After we've been called in both spots, I'd consider checking this turn some of the time simply because the depth of money is still very large and I'm not comfortable getting raised now because we have no reads on anyone. I don't mind betting but I think it's a very clear bet/fold spot. When we get check-raised here I agree with Shichi he is not semi-bluffing a draw. For a few reasons... first, the time to semi-bluff would be on the flop when he can fold out all our missed overcard holdings. Second, the ace isn't really a good card to check-raise as a bluff because A) it hits our range pretty well, and B) we will usually only bet here with big aces or bluffs... if we have a pocket pair like QQ we are probably checking the turn here as there is little value in betting, so we can call a river bet to pick off bluffs. A player wanting to rep the ace to try and scare us off QQ should lead into us, not check-raise. Third, this line fits squarely into the Baluga theorem, it's a very strong line check/calling flop and check/raising turn, and our 1 pair hand is usually beat when facing this action.

Finally, it's 2NL with a random opponent... in the absence of reads I would generally assume a check/call, check/raise line in a multi-way pot is a very strong hand. Although we might catch him out of line once in a while, I think when we end up playing a 440 bb pot our hand usually won't be good unless the villain is a crazy insane spewer.


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