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QQ, zoom, good fold? - Sat Oct 05, 2013, 01:57 PM
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zoom table, no info on villain, should i fold/call/reraise?
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2013, 05:17 PM
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As played, I think folding to the raise is prudent, but I wouldn't be in this predicament, because I'd check behind on the flop. It's kind of pointless to make a c-bet on the king high flop, because there aren't many worse hands that can call. Since this is a 3-bet pot, villain will often have a pocket pair or AK. You're losing to sets and ace king, and only beating the middling pairs like JJ-88. It's a textbook "way ahead or way behind" spot, in which you have some showdown value, so should try and get to showdown as cheaply as possible. You're never going to get three streets of value from worse hands on this board, because when you bet, villain can put you on AK and fold his underpair. You don't want hands like TT/99 to fold, as those hands are where your value comes from. If you check behind, worse pairs will think they are good. They might bet the turn, or they might check-call. Either way, you get the villain to put money in the pot with a worse hand than yours. Naturally, sometimes villain has you beat. You can make a judgment call based on his actions on later streets. If he comes out firing on the turn, you can consider folding, but you could also call and see the river. At worst, you only have to face two bets, not three, so won't go broke.
As played, you 3-bet pre and then c-bet the K75 flop. You're repping AK/AA. If villain is raising for value, it's because he can beat TPTK. If the king doesn't scare him, it's pretty clear that queens are no good. I think the check-minraise has "set of sevens" written all over it, so folding is the only good option. Re-raising would be suicidal, as you're only beating a bluff.
Always have a plan for the hand and think back to the fundamentals of value-betting. If your bet or raise can't get called by worse (and will, in fact, only get action from better hands), don't make the bet.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Arty


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Sat Oct 05, 2013, 05:28 PM
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Hi Arty,

Just asking this for confirmation. If you had AQ (neglecting whether or not you would 3bet with AQ), you would cbet this flop hoping to take it down (like you said repping AK), and if called, shutting down.

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Sat Oct 05, 2013, 06:04 PM
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Yes, pullin, I'd bet with AQ. With very little showdown value and only 3 outs to top pair, I'd bluff with AQ to try and get villain off hands like TT/99.


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Sun Oct 06, 2013, 03:52 AM
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Cheers Arty,

I have now learnt something with regards to "way a head or way behind". Like gaylooser I would have cbet with QQ , but now I know a different way.

I have another question. What do you do if villain has position on you. You check on the flop with QQ (in this way ahead or way behind situation) and villain bet the flop either small or large (which could either be a bluff or a legitimate hand). Do you keep calling to showdown, or do you call hoping to see a street for free - I don't know?
Cheers,

Pullin

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Sun Oct 06, 2013, 08:14 AM
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my plan was to cb+fold to reraise, so thats happened, but now i think checking behind would be much much better cuz i could got minraised by flush draw here Q_Q ;_;
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2013, 08:22 AM
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I think that's why having the intiative is really important preflop. I think if villain has position on you, he will be more inclined on average to check behind (being scared of you leading preflop) or that's what you could hope for.

Cheers,

Pullin
 

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