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25nl Zoom: Checked to OTR after weird postflop action

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25nl Zoom: Checked to OTR after weird postflop action - Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:50 AM
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Stats - VPIP: 83, PFR: 33, 3B: 50, AF: 1.0, Hands: 6



He can be check/raising the flop super wide on a board like this. Draws mainly, but sometimes sets etc.

I don't really think we can fold given the price, so I decide to call flop and turn.

OTR, he checks to us. I think we have the best hand here a tonne, but don't really think we can get paid that often.

I opt for a pretty tiny bet (1/3 pot) to attack his pair+draw hands that didn't get there, and if he does raise we have an easy fold.

Too thin or ok?

I talked to another 50nl/25nl zoom reg who commented:

"the turn is just really really good for both of your ranges
however, it bumps KK down to being not anywhere near the strongest part of your range"

-birdayy

Last edited by birdayy; Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM..
 
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Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:23 AM
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Let me guess he min raised Tx? Im betting the river and also folding a raise but he might have two pair and sets that are scared of the flush and just decide to check river.
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2013, 06:14 AM
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Hi birdayy,

I'm not loving this flop at all! It's such a bad flop for our perceived range and a flop we can get x/r-ed on a tonne. I think we still need to bet here for value against TP hands and weaker pairs. But I think checking can sometimes be an alternative against some villains. Here we have an unknown with 6 hands, so I'd take the standard line and bet for value with our overpair on a wet board.

When they raise, I think we still have a call but we have to plan our hand and figure on which turn cards we can continue on. With their betsizing though I think sets are much less likely and I would think they have TP or a draw.

I have to disagree that the turn is a good card for both of our ranges. I think the turn is a good card for their range but horrible for our range. I'd be more inclined to fold to the turn bet here I think.

When they check the river however, I like the thin value bet to get called by Tx and 9x.
 
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Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by geoVARTA View Post
I have to disagree that the turn is a good card for both of our ranges. I think the turn is a good card for their range but horrible for our range. I'd be more inclined to fold to the turn bet here I think.
Could be wrong here, but I think when we look at his sizing, it's unlikely he has a flush here. I think he'd bet at least $3.00 if he hit. Given this and the price we are getting, I think it's ok to peal one more time here.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2013, 05:14 AM
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The problem with calling is that we have a river decision to face. And really there are no good cards that can come off that help us or make us feel comfortable with one pair. An Ace, Q, J, any diamond, even a K might not be good. That's like 23 cards or 46% chance to see those cards OTR. I would rather see a 2 of spades or even a non diamond Ace would be okay to continue OTT instead.
 

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