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River Bust.. Wrong move? - Mon Oct 21, 2013, 07:00 AM
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I'm thinking I either didn't raise enough pre flop or I should I have shoved? Or was it just bad luck on the river?

Take a look at the situation in the video and let me know what you think!


 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013, 07:56 AM
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10BB with a pot of 2720 (with the UTG limp), auto shove in my humble opinion.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013, 08:03 AM
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well i definitely dont like your raise size as what does it accomplish?

I also think its a shove

unlucky river though
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rolo834 View Post
well i definitely dont like your raise size as what does it accomplish?

I also think its a shove

unlucky river though

Ya I don't know what I was thinking. I should have shoved but he was a calling station and given his stack size I think he was calling if I did that. The only difference (if I made the raise or even shove pre) is that the third player who folded after the flop action would have folded pre flop.


Just unlucky on the river I guess. Stuff happens

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Mon Oct 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
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Hi TommysgotAs!

With QQ and 10BB, I get a limp from UTG in front of me. A standard raise for this blind level is to 2.%BB+1BB for each limper (2800), which is basically 1/3 of my stack, which means that I'm pot-committed. Due to this, I need to shove or fold.

I do not want to raise to anything less because in doing so, I'm most likely giving the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.. and if I give them a positive play to try it, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

ex: the BB here has to call 800 into 5120 (15.6%). This gives them a +EV play every single time (unless the opp that min-raised can only have AA or KK here.. which is basically never the case). If they can have even one other hand in their range, then it's a + play for them (yes, they expect to win chips from me even if I can only have AA, KK or QQ every single time here!). Due to it being a +EV play, they should never fold K7o here.

When I give the opp a +EV play (one where they expect to gain chips from me) by betting too small, it's 100% on me if I lose the hand.... it's not bad luck.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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Mon Oct 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
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I follow the above and would also shove pre for the same reasons.

As played i dont think we're getting away anymore otf.
Notify that i'm not inducing players to slowplay QQ in that spot with 10bb, you shouldnt find yourself in flop play because its a clear shove or fold pre.


Gr. Daikìe
 

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