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Calling the cutoff from LP on a scary flop - $0.25 NL Hold'em - Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:01 PM
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This is a hand from a $0.25 NL Hold'em [90 Players] - Level III (25/50) that I won.

Post flop, I believed I had a the best hand, I put him on maybe a single broadway.
Post River, I realised I had completely misread him and this could've cost me the tourney almost.

This was a sensible player (25 22) and was multi tabling and playing a $4.50 tourney too.

His bet size on the River convinced me he did not have trips. Was this weak play, a mistake to have played post flop and not a read?
Should I have folded to the scary flop?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...435_791E61A808


This is the same player I was up against a few hands later, playing on a dicey board and he calls down with pocket 77.
I know the 2nd hand isn't mine, but I would like some feedback on both if you don't mind as a comparison would do me good.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...692_AF500EB41F

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Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:31 AM
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Hi IBNash!

With ATo from MP in an unopened pot, I'm going to make a standard opening raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I will raise to 150.

I see a HU flop, out of position, that has a pair, and plenty of straight and flush combinations. I'm going to take my one shot at winning the pot here since I'm OOP and make a 1/2 pot c-bet (193). My plan for the hand is that if I'm raised, I need to fold. If I'm called, then I'm not putting a single chip more into the pot unless my hand improves, as this board interacts very well with the opp's range.

When the opp calls, unless I see a J on the board, I'm check/folding every street as I'm most likely beat.
When the opp bets the river, even with 2 pair, I'm mucking because I'm going to be beat here the overwhelming majority of the time. If I play the river, I need to make a 1/2 pot lead. Not to check and call. To call the 1250, I need to have the opp be bluffing over 31% of the time due to the pot odds... and this is most likely not going to be the case. If I check the river, I must fold to this bet.
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In the second hand, 77 did NOT call down.. they made the first bet and with the others checking, they should make a value bet. The K4 player should not have called and should not have been in the hand in the first place. The 77 player also gave a very big tell as to their hand strength (open-limp), so when they bet, I'm putting them on a pocket pair that is now not scared of an A, since there are 2 on the board.. for their turn bet. When the third A hits the board, I'd expect to see them bet the river again, as they have a full house and the opps in the hand have been passive.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.


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Wed Oct 23, 2013, 03:46 AM
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In the first hand, if I had checked the Turn and he bet, I should fold?
I understand how checking the River and calling the bet was not the right call.

Thanks for the feedback and correcting me saying he called down with 77s, he did not but now I understand why the feedback (not on the forums here) regarding my AT hand was different to his pocket 77 play.


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Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:59 AM
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Yes, if you check the turn and they bet, then you need to fold to any sizable bet, as the pot equity will be higher than what the equity of the AT is. When the pot equity is higher, I expect to lose chips on average.. a play that I don't want to make.

Also, 77, while marginal, is a made hand. ATo is only ace high with a very marginal kicker.

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