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bad player or WHAT! need some opinion... - Tue Nov 05, 2013, 04:01 PM
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Hello guys and girls
i played poker for fun for few years,recently i wanted to try for real money and PS is my "first" choice...

today i had like 10 bad beats... this is some of them

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...659_D109B893B0
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...633_7D3A95C6A4
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...585_19BD1E414A
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...176_1DC5E360B0
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...239_C30ABA121F
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...791_588E4F04FB

now am i that bad or there is something weird in here....
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013, 01:55 AM
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**moved to more appropriate forum JWK24**

Take a look at the betting. In a number of these, the opp was getting the right odds to be in the hand due to the checks... if they get the right odds, they should be in the hand and will win a given % of the time.

IMO, a number of these were bet very poorly.

Good luck at the tables.

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Wed Nov 06, 2013, 04:57 AM
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so you think i should bet more,to prevent them chasing flush/str8 etc?
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013, 11:21 AM
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Hi magicius!

With this many hands, it's really a mixed bag.

Ex: in the 9Ts spades hand, on the flop when the hero checks and the opp bets 14 cents, I do NOT have the correct odds to continue in this hand. I have to call 14 cents into a pot that will be 47 cents (29.7%). I have 9 outs to a flush and 3 more to a straight. 12 outs is only worth 24% (IF all the outs are good)... so I expect to LOSE 5% of my chips on average, each and every time I call.... and due to this, need to fold on the flop.

Ex 2: T6s hand, I have to call 5 cents into a pot that will be 21 cents (23.8%). If the opp has an A, I have 5 outs... which is only worth 10% equity. Therefore, every time I call this bet, I expect to LOSE 13.8%.. so I need to fold

Ex 3: J9s is not a strong enough hand to 3-bet with preflop. Unless the opp is a maniac, I'm folding it preflop

Ex 4: open-limp from UTG with ATo. ATo, while a hand with potential is NOT a strong enough hand to be playing from this position and I need to muck it preflop. Also, I do not want to open-limp. If my hand is not strong enough to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper.. then I need to muck.
Then, when I flop trips, I need to lead for a standard value bet, which is sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture. With 3 opps in the hand, I need to bet 3/4 pot (no more, no less). Making standard bets helps to conceal the strength of my hand. Players that bet more or less based on the strength of their hand basically turn their cards face-up to an observant opponent (something that I want to avoid). Also, the only time I can check and slowplay is if there is not a single card in the deck that can beat me... if there is, then I need to bet enough to price that draw out.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Nov 06, 2013, 11:41 AM
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oh thank you for answers most of hand i played stupid, i mean shouldnt play them at all,rest of them are just unlucky draws... must work on my play style
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013, 02:41 PM
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so you think i should bet more,to prevent them chasing flush/str8 etc?
It depends. FOr example your first hand with the J9 suited is just too weak to call a 3x raise even though in the BB, you're out of position so proceed with caution. If you make that call your going to be most likely behind and hoping to hit the flop. Fortunately you do and you made the correct move by betting.

Now the only hand at that point you are worried about is AJ which is the absolute nuts. You decide to bet which is fine, and the villain calls. Now the turn is such a terrible card for our hand, it opens up fullhouse possibilities, flush draws and even quads. With you being out of position and previously being 3x raised then flat called on the flop, its best to check the turn for information and playing a little cautious. If the villain bets something like $0.90 then sure call it he may have only 3 of a kind queens. Now up to this point its just standard stuff you just couldnt fold up until the river cause of the big hand you had. But what if he decides to shove allin on the river for your stack? That is a tough decision that sets some players apart from others you know when you're beat and when you have the odds to call.

You will also find fish like myself who love to see a flop with a pocket pair in position. I think the guy overplayed his KK which I thought was a flush draw at first.
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...554_E5D8A56E17

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Thu Nov 07, 2013, 08:19 AM
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http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...906_B9B94CBA23

one more hand that pissing me off... i dont know any player in world that would fold full house...
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013, 10:50 AM
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With the QJ hand.. multiple things I see that are big problems with the hand.

1) QJ, while it does have potential, is not strong enough to call a raise with, so I'm mucking it preflop

2) When I flop trips, I absolutely cannot check the flop. I can get drawn out on by multiple things (straight, flush, etc)... if there's a card in the deck that can beat me, I have to price the draw out. Not doing so means it's my own fault if I lose the hand.

3) overbet shoving the river... this is what's known as value-owing ourselves. If I do this, I'm only going to get called by a better hand and make all worse hands fold. I'll raise to about 90 cents, but I do not want to overbet shove.

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Thu Nov 07, 2013, 11:21 AM
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http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...906_B9B94CBA23

one more hand that pissing me off... i dont know any player in world that would fold full house...
Thats a rage quit right there for me owwwwwwwww
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013, 11:31 AM
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i dont know any player in world that would fold full house...
I know a lot that will and have a large number of times. I think you might want to watch this video from Dave 'TheLangolier'.

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Thu Nov 07, 2013, 11:32 AM
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ye i did rage quit... after i depleted my roll had QQ guy with A4 goes all in... GG
 

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