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0.02-0.05NL (A7 VS 99) Good bluff or weak bluff? - Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
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Hi guys!

I tryied to change the title, as I saw the rules after posting, but I can't :S Im sorry for that, I'll be more careful next time!

So I was playing on 6max 0.02/0.05NL against a calling station, and he was betting pot almost all the time he had the opportunity to do so.



I'm UTG and raise to $0.15 with Ad7d. The CO calls. SB and BB both fold.

Flop : 9hQcAc

I bet $0.30. He calls. Pot is now $0.97

Turn : 9hQcAc2c

I tought, he might be running the flush. So I decided to Check. He bets $0.30. It looked pretty weak to me, as he usually bets more money. I tought he had a better ace than I do and he was scared of the flush. I decided to shove around $4, he was covering me. He called.

He had 99 ... He had hit a set on the flop. My read was not that good, but not that bad as I knew he had a better hand than I do but not the flush. The river didn't helped me..


After thinking about it, I really don't think it was a good play against a player like him. He would probably have called anyway with a pair of aces...

What I want to know, is if my bluff was solid, or looking more waek than strong. Yes he called and I lost, but was that bluff a good bluff against the wrong player or just a weird bluff not telling the good story?

Thank you for the analysis

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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:52 PM
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Against a Calling station No bluff is a good bluff Value bet only.

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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:32 PM
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Yeah, I know. As I said, after the play I said to my self that it was a stupid play as he would probably have called with aces. The point of this thread is much more about the bluff itself than doing it against that kind of player.

I must be more aware of my opponents tandencies for sure before putting money in the pot. I learned it the hard way :P
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:45 AM
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Hi xXQ,

A few things... first, Grade b is spot on, a calling station's favorite mistake is calling down way too light, and we punish this mistake by value betting them to death. When we bluff at them, we are essentially taking their mistake and making it a correct play. Trying to bluff stations is lighting money on fire.

Second thing is, I'm not sure about your read as stated...

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...against a calling station, and he was betting pot almost all the time he had the opportunity to do so.
Calling stations call a lot, but they rarely get aggressive without monsters. If he was betting pot all the time then he's not a calling station.

Last, you wanted to know if your bluff is solid or not (opponent type not withstanding). The answer is no imo. The reasons are that first as the UTG raiser preflop there are not many flushes you are representing on this board. KcJc, KcTc, maybe JcTc. Second, if you actually had a flush, you would be much more likely to barrel the turn, or if check/raising to do so for a smaller amount than shoving $4 into a pot of $1.27. This action looks like it's trying to elicit folds. It makes no sense for the nuts. So a good hand reader will see through it. You could c/r to $1.50 here and have it be just as effective at getting folds, while not exposing your entire remaining $4 when beat. And it's a sizing that looks more plausible that could be the nuts. Finally, you have a hand that you don't need to turn into a bluff, it has enough showdown value (especially vs a station) to simply bet again for value and fold if raised.


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