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Zoom vs Normal Tables - Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:48 PM
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At the moment I'm playing 6-Max 10 NL on normal tables.

However I tried Zoom for the first time today and I really didn't enjoy the experience.

I feel that playing against unknown villains all the time is like playing with one hand tied behind my back. On normal tables you can size everybody up, see some critical hands that you are not involved in and really pick apart their game. Most of this is impossible in Zoom.

I played for about an hour before giving up - should I persist with it? Are there ways of optimising your play when you're always playing against unknowns?
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:56 PM
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Some people will disagree with what I will say here but I believe it to be true.

Zoom games are different to Regular Cash games, at least above 2NL, 2NL the players are quite bad in both versions of the game. Zoom, you need to be very very disciplined with your hands post-flop, you never initially know who you are up against until you have started playing a lot of hands and come across the same players a couple of thousand times.

In Zoom there are no table dynamics, you dont get to see what people have gone to showdown with a lot of the time unless you dig your database and make notes, or watch the hand play out at the time.

Over time you develop player dynamics in Zoom but it just takes much longer.
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 07:27 PM
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When you first started playing standard tables, you didn't have any info on the players. The more you played the more info you got. Well the same applies for Zoom.

I have over 600,000 hands played at Zoom this year and every time a new tables open, there's at least 2-3 players I have notes on. All notes were written while playing 4 tables. When I want to see a hand played out, I press "control" fold.

Everything you do on standard tables, you can do at Zoom. " you can size everybody up, see some critical hands that you are not involved in and really pick apart their game."

You don't need a couple of thousands of hands against a player. The same amount as standard tables is needed, but you need to take notes. There's plenty of table dynamics, they just change with the players.

If I go to showdown, (or even if I'm not involve) I always replay the hand to see what the players had and take notes (even with 4 tables open).

Like anything else, you need to learn how to play this variant of poker, it's not for everyone, but the strategy is the same, but faster.

Personally, I ain't going back to standard tables, Zoom is the way for me.

GL all
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 07:27 AM
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Thanks for the great reply Sandtrap.

I never knew you could CTRL+fold to see how a hand plays out - that's very useful when villains take some strange lines or 3Bet/4Bet Preflop.

I also underestimated how good PokerTracker was at keeping up with Zoom and like you say, after just a few thousand hands you can tell who are the regs and who the fish are.

I've definitely got to learn the art of note-taking whilst four-tabling - I sometimes have to pause all four sessions when a particularly interesting hand has happened!

I definitely see the appeal of Zoom and it's a good change-up from playing the normal tables!
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 07:36 AM
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Hi spand42

"Pausing all my tables" is exactly what I do when note taking on Zoom. In the upper left area of the table is a btn (dropdown menu) that lets you pause everything. I click on that, review the hand with the built in replayer if necessary, then make appropriate note. This is a quick and easy method

Roland GTX
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Roland GTX View Post
Hi spand42
"Pausing all my tables" is exactly what I do when note taking on Zoom. In the upper left area of the table is a btn (dropdown menu) that lets you pause everything.
Wow. Great! I didn't know that. I thought I would have to use some scripts or Table Ninja to be able to do that. I'll take a look at that feature the next time I play. It will definitely make note taking a lot easier! Tnx for the tip!
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:00 AM
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There is also a setting in Zoom where you can have a "eye" icon on your fold button. So all you need to do is click this icon and then you should be able to see how the hand plays out (basically an alternatively to hold down Ctrl when you click fold).

Cheers,

Pullin
 

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