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Setmining in 4bet pots - Mon Dec 02, 2013, 11:35 AM
MintDeal's Avatar
Since: Apr 2013
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What should be minimum villains stack + pot ratio to call amount, to make calling 4bets with pairs profitable? As in 3bet pots it's about 15x. But people are stacking off in 4bet pots much easier. Is 10 - 12 x enough to setmine?
Mon Dec 02, 2013, 01:03 PM
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Since: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,146
if you can put villain on an extremely tight range like KK+,AK you might reduce the ratio requirements, but remember any A or K on the flop will give set over set possibilites.
Mon Dec 02, 2013, 01:33 PM
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I'll still stick to 15X, but in the rare instance that I know the opp to 4-bet very light, I may lower it to 12X.. but that is an extremely rare circumstance.

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Mon Dec 02, 2013, 01:37 PM
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I still use 15-1 implied odds personally, and wouldn't recommend going below 12-1. I wouldn't worry too much about this type of spot, as it's going to be very rare to have close to set mining odds in a 4b pot unless the sizings are small or the money very deep.

100bb effective, raise to 3x, 3b to 9x, 4b to 21x.... you'd have to call 13x to win 110.5 = 8.5-1

Using 12-1 effective instead of 15-1, if you had to call 13x you would need to win 156x, so with these sizings you'd need to be starting with ~ 145bb effective. If you stay at the 15-1 implied you'd need to be starting with ~185bb effective.

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