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5NL 6max zoom – A9 light 3b against wide button - Tue Dec 03, 2013, 02:55 PM
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I felt afterwards moronic, but don’t quite understand why?

BU: 81 hands, 22/18/8, AF:9, PRF BU: 53, Fold 3b: 40 ( I didn’t notice this), WWSF: 42

OTT: I thought somehow that this is fold or AI situation. I had TPTK and flush draw, so I didn’t fancy folding.


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Button ($4.52)
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Hero (BB) ($6.96)
UTG ($8.63)
MP ($18.20)
CO ($5.07)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, A
3 folds, Button raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.44, Button calls $0.29

Flop: ($0.90) 9, 5, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.54, Button calls $0.54

Turn: ($1.98) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.15, Hero raises to $3.44
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2013, 11:12 PM
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Hi brave,

3-betting frequently vs. such a wide button steal range is good, and A9s is fine for this. I think where you got tripped up was in failing to re-evaluate his hand strength as the action progressed. It's fair to say his range is light when he opens the button. But he's called our 3b, called our flop c-bet, at this point he's probably got something (you may check his fold to c-bet stats with more hands, but 81 is a really small sample... likewise it's too small for his fold to 3b to mean much, at 5nl this % is probably only 2/5 trials).

I think I would generally bet the turn to avoid giving a free card option to hands like 66, 77, Q9s, 87s. If you check, I think check-calling is clearer than check-raising, what are we expecting to get called by that we're beating after check-raising the turn? It's not an all in or fold situation imo, not sure why you're thinking that. Whether or not you have the best hand on the turn is in doubt, we are still ahead of the hands I named above but behind TT/JJ/QQ (assuming he is 4-betting KK/AA mostly, but can't rule those out completely either) 99, 88, 55, A5s, 65s type hands. But we do rate to have a fair bit of equity to improve on the river as long as he's not full. I'm not exactly looking to fold, but if the money goes in on the turn I think it's very bad for us in general as we are basically always going to be drawing with only 1 card to come, and sometimes dead, vs. his stack off range.


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Wed Dec 04, 2013, 01:32 PM
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Thanks Dave,

Well, I think I just panicked because I failed to range him – not a clue what he could have. (But I don't know that is why I asked) Surely I could have given him over pairs and sets, but guy that wide could have so much more. Your point of folding to 3b was good, its only 2/5, so not trustworthy. There is a point of having this hand in though, so 2/5 is actually in this hand 2/6, so miss information there too by me.

Why AI-situation? – Maybe I was thinking that if I call the turn, I get so good pot odds that I will not be able to fold the hand (big leak of mine) and decided to make it noobishly easy for me. Pot 4.25, Behind 2.39, gives me 36% to call a hand OTR, and I always (75%) fail to fold there.

“if the money goes in on the turn I think it's very bad for us in general as we are basically always going to be drawing with only 1 card to come, and sometimes dead, vs. his stack off range.” – good point, even though I should have known that. Well, I do – in theory =)

He folded. I would guess he would fold mostly non-made hands, because there was 2 draws on the board, and one pair hand 8x, 9x.

So his range was: {9T-K,8A, 86, AT+, random 15%, 22+ } -> filter -> {K9, 9T, AT+, random 8%, 66+}

Actually, {66, 77} makes a bit sense here, only hands I feel my ranging is not totally wrong. Opinions?

Last edited by braveslice; Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 03:26 PM..
 

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