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5NL Zoom 6max, AKo on BB, raising an SB open - Fri Dec 06, 2013, 04:57 PM
rkleefstra's Avatar
Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,328

Unknown villain.

Hero has AhKd

Villain bets unopened pot 3BB
Hero raises to 6BB
Villain calls

flop 7hKh3s
villain chk
Hero bets 2/3 pot
villain calls

Turn 4c
villain bets 1/2 pot
hero calls

river 9d
villain bets 1/2 pot
hero calls

villain has KsJc,

pre: Yes, I should have raised bigger. 0.45-ish
flop: bet was oke, imo
turn: questionmark
I believe I should have raised the turnbet to:
1) wash out flushdraws (but I had A-blocker)
2) get a bigger pot
3) take the pot right there
4) information about him having a set?

Am I right?

Call on river was an easy one for me. agree ?
A raise was out of the question, imo

tnx in advance

Last edited by rkleefstra; Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 07:16 PM..
Fri Dec 06, 2013, 06:14 PM
spand42's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,496
Please don't post results - it makes it harder to objectively analyse the hand.

Preflop - you know your mistake here already.

Flop - Fine

Turn - I'd be concerned when an unknown villain bets into me like this - you've shown strength at every opportunity so far yet he leads into you on a seemingly innocuous card.

I'm never raising here - I'll explain why using your possible reasons to raise:

1) We don't mind keeping flush draws in the hand - we just want to make them pay the wrong price to hit their draw. Since villain is making himself pay to try and hit a flush, there's no necessity for us to make him pay even more. By just calling we also allow him to fire a bluff on the river when he misses his draw. However I think he very rarely has a flush draw here. He'd much more likely just check/call the turn and check/fold the river if he missed.

2) While top pair top kicker is a good hand - it's not so good that we want to play a bloated pot against someone who is taking an aggressive stance against us. We could easily be up against a set or two pair here.

3) If we want to take the pot here and now - you are turning your hand into a bluff. I think our hand is too strong to be bluffing and we are not going to get any better hands (i.e. 2 pair+) to fold.

4) Raising for information by itself is a bad idea as Langolier regularly points out. The information we receive can often be inaccurate, or irrelevant. What happens if villain 3Bet shoves over our raise? Does this tell us any more information than before? Not really. We should be betting/raising either for value, or as a bluff. As I said before our hand is too strong for a bluff, but too thin for value.

I think calling is the right play here, using our position to assess what happens on the river.

River - This river doesn't really change much. His sizing looks like he's trying to take you to value-town, so I would actually fold here as I think 2 pair + is easily his most likely holding here. In order to call we have to be ahead about 33% of the time, which I don't think is the case here.
Fri Dec 06, 2013, 07:15 PM
rkleefstra's Avatar
Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,328
Thank you for your analysis !

Fixed the handreplayer. Had to learn how to use it. Fixed the title but it doesn't seem to refresh in the forum.

point 2 is indeed a bad reason. Don't want a big pot with just TpTk.
point 4: I thought a raise might be better for all of the reasons, not just for 1 of them. Betting for info solo is indeed not right.

Really did not expect folding on river was a possibilty.

Last edited by rkleefstra; Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 07:24 PM..
Fri Dec 06, 2013, 10:19 PM
birdayy's Avatar
Since: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,179
3b bigger pre.

I personally think post flop is fine.
Sat Dec 07, 2013, 02:10 AM
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Good stuff in this thread already.

Personally I like how you played the hand. Would 3-bet bigger preflop for Value, but apart from that I find a calldown necessary here against an unknown opponent for a couple of reasons. There is a busted Flushdraw you beat and possibly villain could be taking this line with a worse Kx. TPTK is at the very top of our range here and we don't know what villain might be up to with his ranges/plays. I'm also keeping in mind that because of the small 3-bet preflop villain can potentially defend wider and produce some weaker Kx hands or other weak hands he decides to turn into bluffs.

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Sat Dec 07, 2013, 03:20 PM
rkleefstra's Avatar
Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,328
Thanks for all the comments !

Will post more hands for sure. Great stuff!

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