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NL10 3Beted Pot poket pair facing overcard on flop - Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:55 AM
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Villain unknown full stack. witch line is beter ?
1.)OTF b/f OTT x/c (I prefere this the one most)
2.)OTF b/f OTT x/f
3.)OTF x/c OTT x/c
4.)OTF x/c OTT x/f
5.)OTF x/f

And what line vould be if I Had "poket tens"

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Quikly looked at all players pool database (samples 100 and 300 Hands). If full stacked vilain bets after orginal 3betor cheked 75% he has les than TP. If i Cbet then he cals with weaker than TP 78%. Oh and if he bets on flop and on turn just 43% he is holding something weaker than TP.

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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:03 AM
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I hate it when this happens (especially when OOP) and I'm also always struggling with these kind of situations. I think by just check/calling you postpone this difficult decision to the turn, with even a bigger pot and still OOP without the initiative. As you already 3bet him PF, I would try to check/raise on the flop and fold when reraised. This way you can pick up the pot on the flop most times as he could easily have a lower PP and the A is then also scary for him. I'm curious what others will do. As played, good fold OTT.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:27 AM
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Villain unknown full stack. witch line is beter ?
1.)OTF b/f OTT x/c
2.)OTF x/c
3.)OTF x/f
When the flop comes A-high and pretty dry, I think firing a CBet is by far the best play here, as you don't want to give him free licence to bet with some pocket pair knowing that we don't have an A. I often find myself in the villain's shoes, in position in a 3Bet pot and the preflop aggressor checks back on a A-high board. I always bet no matter what my cards because I know that 95% of the time I will get a fold.

If villain raises, we just fold.

If villain calls, we can just x/f on the turn and river. In my experience if villain has something like JJ or QQ - they are normally pretty happy to get to showdown and won't often bet as a bluff.

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As you already 3bet him PF, I would try to check/raise on the flop and fold when reraised.
I don't really like this play at all - you're turning your hand into a bluff and really bloating the pot. I prefer to take the cheaper aggressive line by just CBetting as it will cost us much less if villain really does have an A.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:18 AM
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Looks like X/F is not the answer.

Quikly looked at all players pool database (samples 100 and 300 Hands). If vilain bets after orginal 3betor cheked 78% he has les than TP. If i Cbet then he cals with weaker than TP 82%. Oh and if he bets on flop and on turn just 43% he is holding something weaker than TP.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:21 PM
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Hi A Beat,

I generally prefer to bet the flop since we 3b pre, so we're not just betting our big aces and checking our pocket pairs, which becomes too transparent and is exploitable. So I would generally b/f this dry board OTF, x/f OTT. If we are taking the line you did, x/c flop, that's ok but in order to not be transparent I think we should also be checking the flop with AK/AQ sometimes then too. We just want to make sure we're not polarizing our flop checking range to 2nd pair and the nuts (AA), so having the AK/AQ's in the mix some of the time prevents villains from bluffing us too much.


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