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2NL How bad is this? - Thu Dec 12, 2013, 12:41 PM
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Villains minraise made me range him =<KQ



Did not know what to make of his sketchy FT bets, am I a calling station :/
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
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imo:
He played a horrible line and got punished on the river.
His bets were so small you had to call. It was 3handed so calling looks fine to me
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
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Hi Nash,

I don't think it's that good. Firstly, our preflop 3b size is too small, if we're going to 3b we should probably be sizing it more like .14 out of position here.

On the flop I think this is just a fold. The bet and raise are smallish, yes, but they are still a bet and a raise in a multi-way pot. We rate to be behind at least one of them already, and we don't know if a Q or A coming even improves us to the best hand. We are getting over 3-1 to peel the flop and have the back door nut flush draw, but also don't close the action either so we could make this call then find ourselves not even seeing the turn if V5 puts in a big reraise.


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Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:56 AM
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Thank you both for the feedback. When I saw his hole cards I thought to myself if only you'd bet the pot on the flop and turn, I would've folded.

I only called cause his bet sizes seemed suspect.
 
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Fri Dec 13, 2013, 06:06 AM
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Notice the ops stack, less than 100 BB, so between the ops stack size and betting line its pretty obvious he has a hand that he deems good, why would you assume a suspect betting line when the guy is not even sitting on the table with a full stack chances are he does not understand bet sizing, and you cannot range an op on KQ just because he min raises. Your re-raise was weak as hell and you were inviting them to play a pot with you, where they had position on you, and that flop more times than not, hits there range more than yours so I am done with the hand.

Also what is op 5,s range I am putting him on 2 suited connectors maybe even 9Td so if the turn comes 8d do you carry on in the pot thinking well now I'm only 1 card away from a flush (that's already crushed). I don't like how the hand was played by all parties involved.

Sorry dude, I don't mean disrespect in any shape or form, it's just the pests opinion.

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Fri Dec 13, 2013, 06:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPest72 View Post
Notice the ops stack, less than 100 BB, so between the ops stack size and betting line its pretty obvious he has a hand that he deems good, why would you assume a suspect betting line when the guy is not even sitting on the table with a full stack chances are he does not understand bet sizing, and you cannot range an op on KQ just because he min raises. Your re-raise was weak as hell and you were inviting them to play a pot with you, where they had position on you, and that flop more times than not, hits there range more than yours so I am done with the hand.

Also what is op 5,s range I am putting him on 2 suited connectors maybe even 9Td so if the turn comes 8d do you carry on in the pot thinking well now I'm only 1 card away from a flush (that's already crushed). I don't like how the hand was played by all parties involved.

Sorry dude, I don't mean disrespect in any shape or form, it's just the pests opinion.

Gl.PP72
None taken mate, thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it.
I did not range him to hold KQ, I thought his minbet reeked of Kx/Qx/Jx and did not put him past KQs tops. This is likely costing me money but I'm learning to range so starting somewhere based on 5k hands this far. I completely agree his betting line atleast said pocket pair, which I wasn't beating on that wet flop. It just didn't scream pocket Kings. Had I looked at his stack size, I could've put things together, which I did not do. Terribad play, lucky result.
 
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Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Quick tip: Min raises and min-3-bets are usually made by bad players, with either very weak hands, or (more commonly) very strong hands. Villain's bets were very small at every stage, but he did actually 4-bet pre-flop, and raised on the flop. I would expect a range of QQ+ here, and would fold on the flop, because you're drawing very slim against a monster. KK is actually his most likely holding, I think, because you have blockers to AA and QQ.


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