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thoughts? Zoom 2NL - Sun Dec 15, 2013, 03:48 PM
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Couldn't decide what to do here. I considered calling and raising all in but settled on folding. I was too scared he had a queen, and even some of my overcard outs may have been forfeited e.g. if he had AQ or KQ.



What do you think?
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:03 PM
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Pretty draw heavy board. Cause you are OOP, the villain has an advantage, but I would probably make a protection 3bet...probably, don't do what I say, I am a fish. Anyway, do you have any stats or reads on the villain?
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:04 PM
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thanks, and nope - no reads
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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:10 AM
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Played perfectly as is IMO. Stacks are too shallow to get big value if you hit your J, and chances are your opponent has something like KJ here or J8 and you'd be drawing to only 3 outs.
 
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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:45 AM
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Hi Whitey,

I prefer to size our preflop 3-bet larger if we are going to 3b (flatting is a valid option, depending on reads). More like .22-.24c here.

As played, it's a good fold imo. Calling is definitely not profitable... we have 4 outs to the nuts, so about 11-1 to turn our jack, but the implied odds should we get his entire stack is only 10.5-1. The problem is the card that makes our hand also kills aciton from a lot of his range, so we can't reaistically expect to win his stack unless he has a K and makes a K high straight at the same time. We do have overcards, but they may not even be good, since the villains action shows a lot of strength. Hitting an A or K won't help us if he's flopped a set for instance.

Raising again is also not good imo... (@Marco, what are we protecting, we only have ace high?). A reraise is basically a semi-bluff here, and it's a play I don't mind vs. very aggressive flop raisers who I have a read on and know they can be light on the flop AND fold to a reraise (probably jam on these stacks). I don't think it's good here because the power of a semi-bluff is the summation of our fold equity + hand equity when they don't fold. I think fold equity here is almost nil however... we have a villain who is playing a non-full stack, cold calls a 3b pre, and is click back raising the flop... my guess is fishy player, who has hit the board and is not folding. So my best guess is that there's little to no fold component here, and if we reraise we are simply stacking ourselves off on a marginal draw.

Since both calling and reraising don't look good, that leaves folding as our best option.


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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:28 PM
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Raising again is also not good imo... (@Marco, what are we protecting, we only have ace high?). A reraise is basically a semi-bluff here, and it's a play I don't mind vs. very aggressive flop raisers who I have a read on and know they can be light on the flop AND fold to a reraise (probably jam on these stacks). I don't think it's good here because the power of a semi-bluff is the summation of our fold equity + hand equity when they don't fold. I think fold equity here is almost nil however... we have a villain who is playing a non-full stack, cold calls a 3b pre, and is click back raising the flop... my guess is fishy player, who has hit the board and is not folding. So my best guess is that there's little to no fold component here, and if we reraise we are simply stacking ourselves off on a marginal draw.
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Well, I meant protecting our hand against villain hitting draw, as the board is pretty wet. Looks like I wrote it wrong. My apologies
 
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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:42 PM
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Well, I meant protecting our hand against villain hitting draw, as the board is pretty wet. Looks like I wrote it wrong. My apologies
No need to apologize! I see what you mean now. It's true that we are ahead of any draws right now, but a lot of villain's flop raising range contain made hands (some very strong like sets) that are ahead of us... and our hand equity is very poor vs. the made hands.


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Tue Dec 17, 2013, 03:27 PM
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Thanks!
 

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