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33 Bigstack final stages call against shortstack shove - Tue Dec 17, 2013, 10:20 AM
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Hello folks,

This is another spot I played and am now reviewing for studying purposes, and I was wondering what you guys think of this call I made with 33 against a very shortstacked villain with less than 10 BBs. I was thinking the following: his shoving range is quite wide and most of the time I'll be a slight favorite against 2 overcards in a flip, and if I lose, I'm not too worse for wear.



What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

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Tue Dec 17, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Hey, Max. I'm not a trainer, but I've looked at the hand, and I do have some things I'd like to mention in relation to it. Please note that what I say might be wrong - if one of the actual trainers corrects it, listen to him.

First off, you didn't mention how big the tournament was, whether this was the final table, or if the money has burst, etc. However, as it's 6 handed and stacks are so large, I'm assuming it's at least the final two tables with the money having burst.

The spot you're in is actually kind of interesting, because I honestly think that the correct action is different depending on if this is a cash game or a tournament. If you notice, you're getting about 1.5:1 pot odds on calling this shove, which isn't too bad. But pocket 3s against any hand that could reasonably be shoving here, about 80% of the time you'll be flipping to win, 19% of the time you'll be dominated by a bigger pair, and only about 1% of the time will you be reasonably ahead (A-3 or A-2, which the villain probably is shoving but isn't as common). Because of this, it would probably be a fold in a cash game, and definitely a fold earlier in the tournament.

But this is the late stages of a tournament. You therefore need to take everyone's stack sizes into consideration, and it looks like you did: if you win, you're up to almost 70bb, another opponent is eliminated, and you have a great shot at winning. If you lose, you're still around 55bb and, more importantly, you're still the bigstack at the table. Because you aren't risking very much and you increase your chances of winning, I think that your call here is good, as well as your reasoning - it would probably even be an insta-call if it's a knockout tournament.

Hope this helps.
 
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Tue Dec 17, 2013, 01:47 PM
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Hi Max_Kane!

I agree with Christxof... type of tourney, where you're at in it and a read on the opp is crucial information. What may be the right play in one type of tourney may be the wrong play in another type.

For this, I'll assume it's a standard cash tourney and not a satellite nor league game (both can get very different answers). In a satty or a league game, I'm snap-folding.

In the BB with 33, I get a shove from the hijack with about a 7BB stack. Here is where a read on the opp is necessary. Is the opp tight? Is the opp loose? This will definitely play into my answer too.

If the opp is a knowledgeable opponent (big stretch), then I'd be looking to call the shove with about a 36% range and this does include all pairs. If this is the case, then I'll call.

If the opp is loose, then their range will be wider and I'll call.

However, if the opp is very tight, then I could possibly find a fold. The reason for it is that if the opp is very tight, they will only be playing big aces and pairs, so best case, I'm in a race and I could easily be behind.

The keys here are to know what type of tourney it is and to have a read on the opp as this will help to make my decision. In a standard tourney against a standard opp, I'll call... BUT... this many not be the case.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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