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2NL 6-max - Underboat - Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:51 PM
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Villain is unknown, don't normally play regular tables.



I'll be honest, I just kind of put him on a flush kind of on auto-pilot thinking. Was my judgement perhaps clouded by me having a good hand and that's just what I wanted him to have? Really not sure if I could have got away from this or if it was just a weird spot where I got coolered. Would appreciate thoughts on ranging the villain in this hand and what I perhaps should have done.

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Tue Dec 17, 2013, 10:57 PM
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I'd lead flop.

Not sure why we are 3betting the turn so small either. I'd prefer a raise to $0.45 or so. River sizing is fine and of course we aren't folding. Just a cooler.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:46 AM
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I lead flop too. To stack off, villain can have an overplayed A3 and a bunch of flushes, and the less likely TT, 99, 44, 43s. He might even have slowplayed AA and then gone a bit crazy trying to regain value after limping pre.
Never folding the third nuts when only 4 combos of 99/TT beat me.


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Wed Dec 18, 2013, 03:13 PM
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I would raise preflop, with only one limper in the hand, prepared to fold to a 3-bet. The way the hand played out, I wouldn't be able to include 99 in his/her range. Once you get the boat on the turn, you can't fold, sadly. The only way to get out of this hand cheaply is to get him to make you fold before the flop.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:14 PM
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Hi all,

We got a pretty unlucky cooler here.

I actually think we can find a fold on this river if we slow down and think it through. Don't settle for just saying it's a cooler, nothing we can do. Anytime something unexpected happens, stop and ask yourself what it means.

The huge overbet shove on the river screams value. Would he do this with a flush on a paired board? Some players will and some won't of course, but here I think we have to consider that we bet/3b the turn, which makes OUR hand look like we have at least a flush. If he had a small flush and is just playing his own cards (not considering the strength we've shown), he will probably either 4b the turn or simply call down. If he has the nut flush, he is probably 4 betting the turn. With any flush, it makes little sense to me that he would just flat our turn 3b, then make a huge all in overbet shove on the river.

So that leaves full houses. Most players are generally not limping with 93. So hands that make sense are 99, TT and maybe 44 if he's wild on the turn (not likely but not impossible). We can also rule out 43s as there are no combos of that holding possible (and only 1 combo of 93s if we speculate he plays any 2 suited cards).

Therefore the vast majority of his value shoving range beats us. A bluff would make no sense here, given the great strength we've shown (we look like at least a flush) he doesn't expect us to fold, he expects us to call. It's very tough fold to find for sure, but there's just nothing else this line represents tbh. For this price we have to call 4.24 into a pot of 6.10, so we have to be right 41% of the time to break even. While he can certainly be doing something that completely makes no sense with the nut flush some of the time, is he doing so this often? I'm not optimistic that he is.


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Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:16 PM
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Once you get the boat on the turn, you can't fold, sadly.
Zeebo's Theorem ftw.


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Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:40 AM
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Thanks Dave. I think I just made myself believe it was a flush, possibly because I wouldn't expect a limp with 99, but never thought through how he would play a flush. I guess I sometimes need to slow down and think a hand through, I was kicking myself after this one.



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Thu Dec 19, 2013, 05:29 AM
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I'm with Dave on this one.

I just go with the theory that whenever recreational players do a massive overbet all-in on the river - it's ALWAYS with the nuts.

As strong (and disguised) as our hand is, I think a fold on the river is the best play.
 

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