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98s EP, 4bet pot vs micro stack and deep stack - Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:08 AM
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Another hand where I want to check my line makes sense and I didn't mangle it too horribly.

I've started adding a lot of SC type hands to my range, playing speculative hands that have a chance of improving, and it was in that spirit that I played this hand.

Pre-flop, it is made a little awkward by the micro stack being there, he just calls my raise, and the sb squezees. Technically I am not getting the right odds to call here but I am assuming that the micro stack is sticking around and that there will be some dead money up for grabs.

The micro stack 4bet shoves for ~13bb, sb just calls, and I feel I have the 'right' to make the call now.

Flop pretty well, and GII on the turn, with an overbet shove. I didnt fancy seeing another heart arrive before getting the money in.

Overall, what do you think of how I played this hand, anything I should be doing different?


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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:59 AM
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Seems pretty fine to me, bet sizing pretty good on the flop and like the turn shove.

There could be an argument for checking the flop and take the chance of there being no heart on the turn, then betting hard into the board which he will call off because he thinks his KQ/AQ is massive. (final showdown hands didn't appear so just speculating )

Overall I much prefer your line though
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:14 AM
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what did he have?
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:16 AM
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I deliberately left the results out.

Will post the result later on today at some point.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:19 AM
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I think you have to fold pre because you are not closing the action, the micro stack could do exactly what he did and then the sb could 5bet and you are just burning money. In fact, it is very likely that SB 5bets in this scenario since he his 3betting a micro stack that has no fold equity. SB should be strong here. I can't even imagine what kind of hand he plays this way pre and postflop. AQ? AA? It makes no sense and it's a very poor play from his part. Post flop you played it well.

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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:24 AM
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I can see folding pre-flop.

I was torn between the fold and the call but elected to call because I felt that if the micro stack was bad enough to just call my bet on that stack that he was bad enough to call the 3bet. I've seen it happen a fair few times in my limited experience of this player pool.

Once the sb just calls I think I am good to call.

I havent been playing well at all this month. So not too surprised if I played it horribly.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:31 AM
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It's not horrible. I would personaly fold pre when SB 3bets, altought the 3bet is very small and i do too see a lot of the time that scenario were the micro stack will just call. After the 4bet and the SB call you can't fold.

Forget what i just said. I tought this was 5NL. I think you are deep enough to speculate there, altough not the best scenario. I would make the call too and hope to play a pot with sb with position. Not paying attention.

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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 03:48 PM
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Hi bhoy,

Full pot the flop IMO to set up a bit better turn shove sizing. Other than this I think everything looks fine. I like the open on this depth of money, and the subsequent calls being deep with V2. If the shorty had jammed and the SB 5-bets, we can just fold, it's not the end of the world.


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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 03:48 PM
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Hi bhoy.

I think your preflop play was fine. I like that you're mixing suited connectors into your UTG Opening range.

I think calling the SB's 3Bet is fine, you've got position and a hand that plays well post-flop. When the Button shoves, I think you can be encourage that the SB chose not to 5Bet, so I think you are getting a decent price to call.

And you flop huge! I like the flop bet sizing. It's imperative to get value from his Ahx or hands like JJ or TT with a heart that he doesn't want to fold.

I also think the turn shove is fine. I don't see villain folding Ah or something like a flopped set to any size bet so you might as well get it in whilst you good. If you raised to something like 1/2 pot, you might not get the rest of his chips if the river is a brick.
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Danutz75 View Post
There could be an argument for checking the flop and take the chance of there being no heart on the turn, then betting hard into the board which he will call off because he thinks his KQ/AQ is massive.
We should still bet imo... if the villain checked with AQ/KQ on this flop it was with the intent to at least call a bet, he's not check/folding Qx ever on the flop. So betting before a 4th heart can scare those hands off is a good idea.


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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 04:49 PM
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Thanks Andy and Dave.

Relieved that calling 3bet and 4bet wasnt considered too spewy. I would have reluctantly folded of course if the deep stack had 5bet/shoved.

Here is the full hand:



Villain one mucked AhK.
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
We should still bet imo... if the villain checked with AQ/KQ on this flop it was with the intent to at least call a bet, he's not check/folding Qx ever on the flop. So betting before a 4th heart can scare those hands off is a good idea.

No, I agree that is far the best line. Just an alternative against a real aggy player that you know to bluff may be to check the flop, and if no heart comes turn let them do their thing.
 

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