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Was this a huge laydown or a mistake? - Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:29 AM
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This hand occurred in last night's Premier Skill League. One player has just busted on the final table. The opponent to my left is very aggressive and currently in the top 10 on the leaderboard.

I myself have recently returned -- I am old school with Dean Spath, hazy, and when Dave was Hitman and not TheLangolier. The villain in question is particularly aggressive against me; I have made 4 final tables with one win in 12 games since I've come back and apparently am considered a threat.

The villain plays a wide hand range and very good from my observation of their play.

I am trying to pick up the blinds with AJos and would be comfortable playing this if the villain to my left folds and the short-stacks shove.

However,give the villain's response, I believe I dead against any legit shove and even if it's a bluff, they can still suckout and I'm dead if I'm wrong.

Dave always used to say 'FTW' but is that the correct response here or was this a correct laydown?

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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:56 AM
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I certainly wouldn't class this as a huge laydown, pretty standard fold IMO.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 12:12 PM
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good lay down


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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 06:00 PM
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Hi danrt!

Having already made the final table, I'm now looking for a top 3 and then a win. With AJ from MP, I'm going to make a standard open to 2.2BB+1BB for each limper (13200). I then get the second largest stack that shoves. I'm going to fold here as I need to protect my top 3 position and I do not have a made hand. If I had QQ+, I'd call. If it were seats 6-8, I'd call... but I don't want to risk going out here with a marginal hand.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:22 PM
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thank you.
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 06:16 PM
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Hi danrt!

Having already made the final table, I'm now looking for a top 3 and then a win. With AJ from MP, I'm going to make a standard open to 2.2BB+1BB for each limper (13200).
With an M of about 5.5 and a hand well within the top 10%, isn't this just a shove preflop?

I personally don't like bet/folding too much for 20% of our stack.
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 06:31 PM
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With an M of about 5.5 and a hand well within the top 10%, isn't this just a shove preflop?

I personally don't like bet/folding too much for 20% of our stack.
This is a league game I think.

Different rules apply. Tournament life is more important than normal.
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:59 PM
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In that case, our raise preflop is even worse if others know we'd have to fold all but our premium holdings. This play would be easily exploitable by other big stacks reshoving almost any two.

I actually just prefer an open fold to a bet/fold if survival is really more important than going for the win...

But even in that case, we should be shoving wider and more often with a big stack knowing that others will be scared of committing all in and will try to ladder up.
 

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