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10Nl 6-max Zoom - Thu Dec 26, 2013, 01:16 PM
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Hi, villain is unknown.

What would you do facing the check raise All-in on the flop ? Would you call or fold ?



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Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:28 PM
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Thats hard because your flop bet looks so weak even though you bet 4 way he might just jam all his draws, at the same time though he called your 3bet OOP without closing the action so i would think its pretty bad to flat TT 44 or KT and the other broadways.

Maybe he flatted AA or he has the 1 combo of KK , but i would of thought KK would just raise not jam. I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped over AA to be honest and if he likes to cold call 3bets OOP with a wider range i would expect to see alot of draws like QJhh.

This is one of those spots where it seems so unlikely that there shoving a strong hand like a set to me.

I wonder what the hand analyzers will think of this.
 
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Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:38 PM
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Hey fp_boss

Would be funny to be able to tell you I had a hand like J-high, but I had a real hand

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Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:02 PM
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Hi fp,

My general commitment plan with a SPR of 1.8 is to stack when I flop top/top. It's a multi-way pot, which in and of itself doesn't change my plan, but I'm willing to reconsider if I get enough ominous info.

Here I don't think we have it. Your flop c-bet is so small for a 4 way flop on a wet board, it really looks like you are leaving yourself room to fold, so V2's shove can have more KQs protecting their hand, and AQ/AJ etc semibluffs. It should put enough hands in his range that we can profitably stack even though we are paying off TT sometimes.

The key question imo is not what to do now... the problem comes before the shove, when you bet without a plan. If the plan is to commit for stacks when checked to, then make a solid c-bet imo and bet/call. If we don't think we can do that profitably because it's a 4 way pot and we have no reads on anyone somehow, then check behind and use your position to make a much more informed turn decision.


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Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
Hi fp,

My general commitment plan with a SPR of 1.8 is to stack when I flop top/top. It's a multi-way pot, which in and of itself doesn't change my plan, but I'm willing to reconsider if I get enough ominous info.

Here I don't think we have it. Your flop c-bet is so small for a 4 way flop on a wet board, it really looks like you are leaving yourself room to fold, so V2's shove can have more KQs protecting their hand, and AQ/AJ etc semibluffs. It should put enough hands in his range that we can profitably stack even though we are paying off TT sometimes.

The key question imo is not what to do now... the problem comes before the shove, when you bet without a plan. If the plan is to commit for stacks when checked to, then make a solid c-bet imo and bet/call. If we don't think we can do that profitably because it's a 4 way pot and we have no reads on anyone somehow, then check behind and use your position to make a much more informed turn decision.
Hi Dave, what would you do with TT JJ QQ AK in the SB here?

What would you expect a good reg to do with a set and would you ever give them suited broadways in the preflop calling range?

Just wondering because if a reg can never flat preflop with any broadway then for him to shove the flop here i guess he would be trying to rep a draw so you pay him off lighter?
 

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