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bet-fold KK on nice safe flop? - Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:41 PM
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would u fold this? looks like a best flop to me, a lil bit drawy for flushes and straights also, and im still like super-best...
but only thing is set.. yeah..
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:11 PM
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Very read dependant here. If the BB is known to be capable of cold calling a UTG raise from the blinds then check-raising the flop (a read that takes a lot of history), I'll give them credit for the set.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:49 PM
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Most players tend to have it in spots like this, in my experience, but I agree with Joe it's very read dependent. If villain plays draws aggressively then we can probably continue. We do block some of the flush draws since he can't have suited broadways with a K in them. If he overplays over pairs to the board, then we can stack him in profitably since we're not just paying off sets and flipping with nut flush draws, but also getting it in excellent vs. 99-QQ as well. If he's a wild bluffer, then we can certainly continue by calling and extracting from his bluff range by allowing him to bluff more.

Readless it's probably a fold rather than stack off 144bb's in a single raised pot.


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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
Most players tend to have it in spots like this, in my experience, but I agree with Joe it's very read dependent. If villain plays draws aggressively then we can probably continue. We do block some of the flush draws since he can't have suited broadways with a K in them. If he overplays over pairs to the board, then we can stack him in profitably since we're not just paying off sets and flipping with nut flush draws, but also getting it in excellent vs. 99-QQ as well. If he's a wild bluffer, then we can certainly continue by calling and extracting from his bluff range by allowing him to bluff more.

Readless it's probably a fold rather than stack off 144bb's in a single raised pot.
so optimally u would betfold? dat looks ultramegahyper nitty....
but anyway he would mb potbet OTT , potbet OTR if i go checkcalling , and then i wil have troublez if heartz comes
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:36 PM
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Optimal is a pretty scarce term without reads, I would do different things against different opponents, but if you insist on always playing readless then erring on the side of caution is probably better than clicking buttons.


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