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Thoughts on my river play - Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:44 PM
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Not much I can say about the hand that needs saying really!
The reason I post it here is I want to know what people would do on the river in that spot ? Is my check ok?

Craziest bad beat for him you've ever seen?
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:19 PM
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You check called Quads.

Leading out you will not be called by worse or any remote bluff catcher. You are not bluffing and filling up on the turn helps, so your turn call is unavoidable for villain. River is fine as a bet has no purpose.

Ok I'm a nit, calling pre?

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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:28 PM
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oh ... what an ending!!
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:54 PM
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Not much I can say about the hand that needs saying really!
The reason I post it here is I want to know what people would do on the river in that spot ? Is my check ok?

Craziest bad beat for him you've ever seen?

Hi Herbalerv,

yes, that one has got to hurt!

I like the check there, it gives him room to make a mistake..

regards,
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:01 PM
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I take a different line (fold pre, but if I call, I check-raise turn, shove river) but your line is fine for inducing value-bets from worse boats, and also some ace high bluffs.

If you'd said "I saw a flop with J5s and won with quads over quads", I'd never believe it!


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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:22 PM
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Not much to analyse when no reads are presented.

Would someone move to Brags please.
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:23 PM
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I take a different line (fold pre, but if I call, I check-raise turn, shove river) but your line is fine for inducing value-bets from worse boats, and also some ace high bluffs.
I came to the same conclusions as Arty here, except for the fold pre-flop. Four-handed with stacks around 125bb and 7:1 pot odds on the call pre-flop, I think it is hard not to call and see a flop here (expecting to let it go most of the time, of course). I think you have less than a 1 in 8 chance to win pre-flop, but I also think the implied odds are there to make a big score if you do hit something (with this hand being the best-case scenario!) This depends a lot on how comfortable you are with your post-flop play, though.
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:57 PM
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pretty comfortable post flop, I don't have reads or use HUD I've tried but don't understand them and find them distracting. All I mean is would you check call turn and check river like I did, is there any value check raising turn or simply leading out river?

Obviously the villain was a bit of a pay off wizard on the river
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:33 AM
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Hi herb,

Villain was not a pay off wizard on the river at all, since he was the one who bet.

I would actually lead turn, we rate to have the best hand (save for quad 2's) and it will look the most like a possible steal since players will expect us to check a 5 here... it looks like we picked up a flush draw or are making a move, and if someone has the 2 we may get raised. We'll get called by overpairs for sure leading, while if we check/raise they may check back the turn, or bet/fold.

I actually think your river check is good... The way player 1 plays his hand, it looks like he's got the case 5 on the turn action. Obviously when the river comes, we know that's not the case, so scrolling back then, what did he take this turn action with? Possibilities:

-Turned flush draw
-Wild bluff
-Quad 2's

If we bet the river, he folds the former, but if we check, we give him a chance to try and pick up the pot with a bluff. If he holds a bust and thinks our action indicates a counterfeited 2, he may feel like his bluff is a freeroll since he'd chop if we called with a hand like A2 anyway.

Incidentally, shoving river wouldn't be bad either... with a full house on board players will talk themselves into a call thinking you busted a flush draw or had a 2 counterfeited and are making a move. But it raises more suspicion about the case 5 than checking does, that's for sure.


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Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:55 AM
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Nice thoughts on lines on the turn, thanks!
 

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