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Would you have played this differently? - Thu Jan 02, 2014, 02:03 AM
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http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...563_0B2881C015

Just a cooler, or could it have gone better?
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2014, 06:15 AM
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the only other thing would have been to push all in on the flop i guess? still sucks though. Just no winning when they call no matter what. I had KK vs 82 with 882 on the flop. The guy 4-bet me pre-flop.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2014, 10:46 AM
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I'd have made a standard raise preflop (2.5BB+1BB for each limper). By limping, it allows the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.

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Thu Jan 02, 2014, 11:17 AM
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I'd have made a standard raise preflop (2.5BB+1BB for each limper). By limping, it allows the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.

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I would disagree here John, if I am going to play this hand from the hijack at all I do not want to commit over 1/4 of my stack to see a flop, knowing that I am still likely to have bet at least one more street and likely put in my whole stack across 2 streets to have a chance to take it down. Keeping in mind the game type, and stack sizes and the fact 2 big stacks utg/utg1 limp in there is little chance a raise pre will make much difference and the flop will still end up 3 way at the very least.

With this hand you have to think ahead, I don't like shoving here as there will be plenty of better spots for that and we still are not at the stage where we have to risk our tourney life.

You have less than 19x bb, and if you limp here you have to expect the possibility of a raise/steal with 4 players still to act and a decent size pot starting to build. If you decide to call that raise, even though this was a min raise, then you are losing chips from your stack with a weak hand and you will only hit a dream flop like this 1 in every 118 times.

Obviously as your hand played out you were unlucky but my honest answer here would just be fold pre. This type of hand looks pretty but is so dangerous playing in a multiway pot as you will almost never know where you are and you are not deep enough here to play multiple streets fishing for draws.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2014, 05:14 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, interesting mix of approaches. I don't think the pre-flop raise would have pushed the villain out, so the only other change might have been a shove at the flop, though that might have reduced my pay out had it worked out. Hopefully I'll be on the other end if it happens again -at least it was in a freeroll.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2014, 06:09 PM
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get used to lose like that...it happens a LOT
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:29 PM
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Another hand to evaluate, though this one's a little more straight forward...

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...911_3782195639
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 07:24 PM
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I'd have made a standard raise preflop (2.5BB+1BB for each limper). By limping, it allows the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.

John (JWK24)
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While I wouldn't be all that excited with AJs in this spot raising preflop would be a good idea to get rid of limpers and other villains. Not doing so would give them the odds to call like JWK pointed out.

After what happened on the flop is just so unlucky nothing you could do there.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:08 PM
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don't agree with anything said above, you have under 20 big blinds and to people have limped, you have a strong hand that can improve if you are behind, theres a quarter of your stack to be gained by shoving pre flop, pretty straight forward shove for me pre to be honest.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:31 PM
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I'm shoving here, unless I have notes that say otherwise about the limpers. Chance to pick up the pot and my increase 20+%~ stack uncontested is a huge factor.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:21 PM
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AJs is not a great holding! You got lucky with this flop, and I think a shove on the flop would be better like Evoke said. I agree with JWK24 with the standard 2,5 + 1 blind per limper. It would give the limpers a bigger price to see the flop and maybe making the weaker holdings fold pf, like the K7 guy, very weak play by him IMO.
But you said it's a freeroll and people are likely to see flops with weak hands and do all kinds of weak plays.
Depending on the image of the other players, the likely hands they would be limping with, and the image of the button who raised, and your own image, and if they care at all about image, you should reevaluate if you really want to see the flop. I think it's either raising bigger or folding IMO, I am more inclined towards folding.


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Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:58 PM
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how can you raise with a 17 BB stack after theres been limpers? Unbelievable advice! I don't even know how people can debate that a shove is best here.
 
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Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:14 AM
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how can you raise with a 17 BB stack after theres been limpers? Unbelievable advice! I don't even know how people can debate that a shove is best here.
AJs is not AA... 18 BB is not 10BB... I do agree if it's a turbo and players have been going all in pre with garbage (which is often the case in freerolls), then it's a shove. Otherwise I don't see the reason for getting desperate and shoving AJs pf for tourney life with 18bb when you can get called by better cards very often.


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Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:44 AM
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With that stacksize and position, shoving AJs over the limpers is totally standard. You're not expecting to get called very often, but you have a good chance to pick up a ton of dead money. That said, this is the BRM freeroll, where villains are addicted to limp calling Ax hands, so you're actually jamming for value.

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Another hand to evaluate, though this one's a little more straight forward...
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...911_3782195639
Bet the flop. Don't slowplay big hands on boards where villain can call with worse. There are several draws on a two-tone K86. As played, it's a bad beat. You got your chips in with the nuts and villain binked a 4-outer.


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