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5nl zoom, QTs against strong donk - Sat Jan 04, 2014, 12:47 AM
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kalahwang's Avatar
Since: Nov 2013
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playing zoom
no read on villain

Preflop:
- I know, opening QT from UTG is a little loose.

Flop:
- villain donks overpot, he might either have:
a. monster hand, e.g. set, two pairs that he is protecting
b. strong draw, e.g. nutflush, OESD that he is bluffing with
- can't fold my top pair yet, so I flat called to reconsider on the turn

Turn:
- straight draw hits but not the flush draw.
- villain AI made me feel he has a set.


Question:
Was it right to fold my two pair or do I have enough strength to call him down?
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 01:47 AM
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Turn:
Hero pumps fist and calls.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 05:07 AM
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Hi kalahwang, I'm happily calling the turn all in when I make two pair in this spot. Folding I think is a mistake as we are giving up a strong hand to some random spews enough of the time to justify a call. We lose to KJ and sets as you mention but I think that's a small part of their range here.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 05:12 AM
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Hello, I saw couple of times donking with sets , I went to show down with my KK because didn't expect sets leading a dry board . sets make sense most of the time in such spot, you need to know what hands does he play that way. against unknown I fold to such big over bet. What hands might he play that way?
KQ,AQ ? KdJd, JdTd more possible and sets are more possible. over pairs ? I would wait for better spot to double up ? I just can't imagine that someone will bluff such a small pot and risk with their 100bb stack with worse hands than yours.

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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 05:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by birdayy View Post
Turn:
Hero pumps fist and calls.
I agree with this - top two pair is way too strong to fold here. Like GeoVARTA says, villain is sometimes just randomly donking off his chips here.

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Originally Posted by Shichi-77 View Post
H I would wait for better spot to double up ? I just can't imagine that someone will bluff such a small pot and risk with their 100bb stack with worse hands than yours.
In cash games you make a profit if you go all in every time that you are a 51% favourite. "Waiting for a better spot" is more applicable to tourneys, where you might be willing to pass up a 55/45 advantage that risks your entire stack if you can more easily accumulate chips by other means later on that doesn't jeopardise your tournament life.

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I just can't imagine that someone will bluff such a small pot and risk with their 100bb stack with worse hands than yours.
You see all sorts of crazy stuff...
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 10:30 AM
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I dont see why he should push here with QJ, because thats like hand that we beat, could be occasional pocket nines, but i think villain is more likely to bet less or check/call, check/raise here and on the flop with sets, and KJ, + queen combos like AQ, KQ, etc. 50/50 call and hope for best, 50/50 you see Ax diamonds if you call.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spand42 View Post
In cash games you make a profit if you go all in every time that you are a 51% favourite. "Waiting for a better spot" is more applicable to tourneys, where you might be willing to pass up a 55/45 advantage that risks your entire stack if you can more easily accumulate chips by other means later on that doesn't jeopardise your tournament life.

this is gold. Currently reading the poker mindset book and this was mentioned as well. got to understand this concept much better now.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 07:08 PM
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I don't mind the turn fold. It really depends on what villain overbets the flop with. I think a set is quite unlikely, as villains usually make standard value-bets or check-raises with those, so I think a combo draw or 2 prs are more likely. You're crushing Q9 and 96, but against KJdd or 87dd, you're virtually drawing dead on the turn, and the price is way too high.
I don't see the need to try and be a hero here. Save your hero calls for when you have reads and/or a stronger hand, imo.


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