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2nl 6 Max Zoom - Flush over flush - Sat Jan 04, 2014, 12:49 PM
adsthepro777's Avatar
Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 630

Tough spot but with the third nut flush is this ever a fold?


These are another two flush over flush spots i had in the same session (not for review) just thought id add them in, is it common?


Sat Jan 04, 2014, 03:54 PM
braveslice's Avatar
Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 568
No, never fold. But flop is a bet or raise (if he is a agro u can X, if anything else you need to bet). a) When you bet he can think you are on a draw, with AA/KK he most likely cant fold. With set or 2p he will call b) if 4th club comes, it’s called an action killer card, you don’t get any stack action from the hands you beat, only better ones.

This is only for 2NL, maybe other levels it's different.
Sat Jan 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
ArtySmokesPS's Avatar
Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 7,359
Probably not folding without a read, but I don't really like your line. Check-calling the flop and then donking the turn is a bit strange. Either donk the flop and 3-bet shove it when you get raised, or check-raise the flop and call off a shove.

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Sat Jan 04, 2014, 06:52 PM
spand42's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,496
Preflop is fine.

On the flop I think I'd just lead the flop. This is the sort of flop texture that the preflop aggressor might not choose to CBet on a lot of the time and you don't really want to miss a street of value by letting it check around. You also don't want to give another free card to bare Ac/Kc.

As played I agree with Arty that as played you should check/raise the flop. You don't have to be doing this with a flush, you might be doing it with a set or even two pair. By check/raising, you may even get villain to just 3Bet shove with the bare Ac.

As played I actually don't mind donking the turn - although this line looks strange I think the problems were caused on the flop. Again I suppose you could check/raise the turn but this also looks super-strong and there's no saying that villain will CBet the turn with Ac. I'd imagine he'd continue to be with sets/two pair to protect his hand against the flush draw.

Once he shoves I think you should call and pay him off. I'd expect to see the bare Ac, sets and lower flushes easily enough times to make the call profitable in the long run.

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