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big 3.30:flopped set multi way pot: fold?

big 3.30:flopped set multi way pot: fold? - Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:51 AM
666bonez187's Avatar
Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 745
should this be a fold?

no stats, but early stages of tourney alot of multiway action early on, alot of mediocre hands at show down with big pots.

so i get 22's in the sb, with a few people to the pot i decide to set mine.

without looking at results, should this be a fold when so much action on the turn in a multiway pot?

i didnt raise on the flop as my plan was to call the flop, and with any card that didnt complete any draws i would check shove the turn trying to extract as much value as possible, since having only 2/3rds of my starting stack.

the hand replayer doesnt work for me, dont know why, but here is the summary and a link to the boom replayer.

PokerStars Hand #109887669683: Tournament #843076496, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2014/01/10 16:24:43 CUST [2014/01/10 1:24:43 ET]
Table '843076496 92' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: xxxjowyxxx (2900 in chips)
Seat 2: kraass (2970 in chips)
Seat 3: respekmestak (2920 in chips)
Seat 4: CLOE77 (7335 in chips)
Seat 5: den 1993 is (2085 in chips)
Seat 6: goenji52 (6480 in chips)
Seat 7: Kovkov 1979 (3165 in chips)
Seat 8: 666bonez187 (2055 in chips)
Seat 9: beldin2010 (4320 in chips)
666bonez187: posts small blind 20
beldin2010: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 666bonez187 [2c 2d]
xxxjowyxxx has timed out
xxxjowyxxx: folds
xxxjowyxxx is sitting out
kraass: folds
xxxjowyxxx has returned
respekmestak: raises 80 to 120
CLOE77: calls 120
den 1993 is: folds
goenji52: calls 120
Kovkov 1979: calls 120
666bonez187: calls 100
beldin2010: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 5h 3d]
666bonez187: checks
respekmestak: bets 200
CLOE77: calls 200
goenji52: calls 200
Kovkov 1979: folds
666bonez187: calls 200
*** TURN *** [2s 5h 3d] [Kd]
666bonez187: checks
respekmestak: bets 760
CLOE77: folds
goenji52: calls 760
666bonez187: raises 975 to 1735 and is all-in
respekmestak: raises 865 to 2600 and is all-in
goenji52: calls 1840
*** RIVER *** [2s 5h 3d Kd] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
respekmestak: shows [Ks Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
goenji52: shows [4s Jd] (high card King)
respekmestak collected 1730 from side pot
666bonez187: shows [2c 2d] (three of a kind, Deuces)
respekmestak collected 6645 from main pot
666bonez187 finished the tournament in 1255th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8375 Main pot 6645. Side pot 1730. | Rake 0
Board [2s 5h 3d Kd 7h]
Seat 1: xxxjowyxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kraass folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: respekmestak showed [Ks Kc] and won (8375) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: CLOE77 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: den 1993 is folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: goenji52 showed [4s Jd] and lost with high card King
Seat 7: Kovkov 1979 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: 666bonez187 (small blind) showed [2c 2d] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 9: beldin2010 (big blind) folded before Flop

Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:47 AM
Shichi-77's Avatar
Since: Jul 2012
Posts: 607
Just a cooler at end, but I prefer raising flop multiway .
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 10:40 AM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,836
Hi 666bonez187!

With a small pair and deep enough stacks to setmine, I'm more than happy to call and see if I can flop a 2.

When I flop my set, I absolutely need to lead the flop here. Bets postflop need to be sized based on the number of opps, size of the pot and board texture. With 4 or more opps, a standard bet is a pot-sized bet, so I will bet 640. I can't bet less than this or check, because by doing so, the opps can get the correct odds to try to outdraw me. If I give them the right odds and they do outdraw me, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

The same thing on the turn. I now have 3 opps, so a standard bet is 3/4 pot, so I need to lead for this amount... BUT.. this is over 1/3 of my remaining chips, which means that if I bet, I'm pot-committed. Due to this, I'm shoving the turn.

There are two big keys here. I have to lead the flop with a standard bet and I also need to lead the turn with a standard bet. I can't check and potentially give the opp the correct odds to outdraw me.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


6 Time Bracelet Winner

Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:22 PM
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Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 745
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:00 PM
spand42's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,496
Just to add to what John said - as played you should check/shove the flop for the same reasons that he gave for shoving the turn. The board is too wet to slowplay on.

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