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2nl FR Zoom - AKo in the SB vs min raise from MP - Tue Jan 14, 2014, 07:39 AM
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Unsure if I should've been more aggressive on the flop.
 
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Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:53 AM
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Hi Nash,

I don't really understand the question, you had only 1 opportunity to act on the flop and you took an aggressive action. Maybe you mean size your bet bigger than 44% of the pot? Absolutely. Evaluate villain's preflop range, then ask yourself how it interacts with this flop texture. Villain will have lots of hands that won't continue for any sizing (55, 87s, etc) and the hands that will continue are likely to have enough strength to call a bigger bet (Ax, pair+gut shot, flush draw).

Fold to the turn raise. Bad player min-raising the turn is always going to be at least the T, or the flush. Calling to fill isn't terrible math wise, but is too optimistic OOP. We are 10.5-1 to fill up on the river. So we need to win $1.68 when calling .16c, to compensate and break even trying to fill. There's already .82 in the pot so we need basically another pot sized river bet, and we would have to bet it from OOP and hope he pays off when we boat up. He's not paying off 100% of the time imo so it's too thin. There is some added boost in that sometimes a T coming gets us half the pot back, but it's not enough either as sometimes that ten costs us a river bet as well paying off flushes. And once in a while it goes check/check on blank rivers and we beat AxJh in a showdown, but again not enough, quite rarely imo.


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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 06:35 AM
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Hi Dave,

I meant shove the Flop.
And I feel downright stupid saying this, but I don't get the rest of your post. Would someone please be kind enough to explain it?


-Avi
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:57 AM
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Fold to the turn raise. Bad player min-raising the turn is always going to be at least the T, or the flush. Calling to fill isn't terrible math wise, but is too optimistic OOP. We are 10.5-1 to fill up on the river. So we need to win $1.68 when calling .16c, to compensate and break even trying to fill. There's already .82 in the pot so we need basically another pot sized river bet, and we would have to bet it from OOP and hope he pays off when we boat up. He's not paying off 100% of the time imo so it's too thin. There is some added boost in that sometimes a T coming gets us half the pot back, but it's not enough either as sometimes that ten costs us a river bet as well paying off flushes. And once in a while it goes check/check on blank rivers and we beat AxJh in a showdown, but again not enough, quite rarely imo.
Better now? and I don't try to be mean of funny. First line is most important. Fold the min-raise. passive players (those who limp/call pre, check/call flop) that are suddenly raising the agressor is almost always bad news.

If you don't get the rest, thats fine. I believe its writed very quickly and doesn't add much (no offense, dave).


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Hi Dave,
I meant shove the Flop.
And I feel downright stupid saying this, but I don't get the rest of your post. Would someone please be kind enough to explain it?
-Avi
Shoving the flop would be bad. You loose all the hands that will give you value. Dave means a bigger bet like pot or nearly potsize. A10 will almost always call on this board and you want him to call because thats one of the hands you get value from in the long run. Because he will call almost anything, you want to bet bigger to get the most value.
In this case it doesn't because the turn killed your hand.

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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:57 PM
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I don't get the rest of your post. Would someone please be kind enough to explain it?
When villain raises the turn, he has the nuts pretty much 100% of the time. He's saying "I have a ten" and you should believe him, because it makes no sense to raise with anything else.
The only way you can win this pot outright is by making a full house ("fill up"). You don't have the right implied odds to try and hit a 4-outer, so just give up.
The numbers Dave provided are another way of saying "you'll only hit your 4-outer about one time in every 11.5 tries, so you need to win at least 11.5 times the price of calling just to break even in the long run". Since it's unlikely villain will donate his whole stack, you're not getting those implied odds.


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