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5NL 6-max Zoom QTo BvsB - Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:58 PM
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Hi, villain is unknown.

What to do on the river ?

I really don't know what to do in these spots where villain:
-Donk bet OOP when the flush hits the river
or
-I check when the flush hits the river and the villain bets.

What should we process to do this decisions against an unknown?



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Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:28 PM
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There isn't very much variables to process vs unkown. All we can do is to stick the range for him. In this case I think it's more likely for him to have more Qx hands than made flushes or sets. So alaways betfolding this spot.


When facing donkbet on the river on 3x flush board vs unkown I think it is okay to give up most of the time. Exception is the smaller bets(less than half pot) indicating a scared blocking bet from opponent.

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Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:38 PM
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Check/folding top 2 on the river is just criminal.

Bet/fold or check/call. Check/folding isn't an option.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:05 AM
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The questions that I am asking myself OTR with a value hand are "How strong is my hand in relation to board texture?", "How many worse hands can call a bet?" and "How many worse hands may bet if I check?", compare the last two and choose the one line where more bets will go in that favor you.

In this example top two is relatively strong still even though the flush got there. There's only Qx that may call a bet as you block a lot of strong combinations with your hand. Also because of the flush presence your hand may look overly strong if you bet the river. If villain is a weaker/passive player he may still call more often with worse though.

If you check villain will bet flushes but he may also bluff hands like AJ/KJ/J9/98 so I actually feel like check/calling becomes a real option here too depending on how aggressive you perceive villain.

If you don't know anything about villain you're usually a little better off just betting 2 pair for value from 1 pair though just because you don't know what his ranges may truly look like once you check.


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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:29 AM
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But if I bet the river I guess I'm never folding to a shove, since the SPR will be super low.
If we were deeper I'd certainly bet and fold to a shove, but here the stack sizes are weird.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by fp_boss77 View Post
But if I bet the river I guess I'm never folding to a shove, since the SPR will be super low.
If we were deeper I'd certainly bet and fold to a shove, but here the stack sizes are weird.
Yeah in this situation we should just shove for value, but assuming 100bb it's a better spot to bet/fold.
 

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