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braveslice goals 2014 - Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:43 PM
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Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 568
Current bank roll: 149 usd
Current level: Break even at NL5 2 tabling, Losing player 2NL 4 tabling, first shot for 10NL December 2013 losing 5BI.

Yearly goals
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- Be a profitable 10NL zoom 6 max player when 2 tabling
- Be break even player at 5NL zoom 6 max when 4 tabling

Yearly subgoals:
- Be a profitable 5NL 2-tabler
- Be a break even 10NL 2-tabler
- Be a winning 10NL 2-tabler
- Be a break even 2NL 4-tabler
- Be a winning 2NL 4-tabler
- Be a break even 5NL 4-tabler


Monthly goals:
- 20 hours

Weekly goals
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- 5 hours

Daily goal
- Play 1 hour, if you don't have a good excuse not to

If there conversion is needed 1k 4 tabling and 500 2 tabling equals to 1 hour

Bankroll
- Take a shot when a) 20x -> drop when 2BI lost b) I know I can handle it

Things to fix (list)
- Reduce the number of bluffs -> Post the worst (losing) bluffs here for punishment.
- Don't call stacks with TP or OP against funny guy -> Post if you do

Last edited by braveslice; Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 12:06 PM..
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:43 PM
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Posts: 568
Results:
month 5, hours 11.2, to go 8.8, for a shot delta ~ -81$
month 4, hours 22.8, Completed, for a shot delta ~ +16$
month 3, hours 27.3, Completed, for a shot delta ~ -46$
month 2, hands 16.7k, Fail, for a shot delta ~ -62$
month 1, hands 25.7k, Completed, for a shot delta ~ -54$

- Be a profitable 5NL 2-tabler: Completed w solely by luck
- Be a break even 10NL 2-tabler: getting there
- Be a winning 10NL 2-tabler: waiting
- Be a break even 2NL 4-tabler: Completed
- Be a winning 2NL 4-tabler: plausible
- Be a break even 5NL 4-tabler: waiting

Last week:
boring

Last edited by braveslice; Tue May 20, 2014 at 01:43 PM..
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:12 AM
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Posts: 568
Monthly goal is almost complered in 3 weeks, not bad.

Four tabling is harder than I expected. Not once but twice I timed out KK. Ridiculous mistake was also the time when I was sure I had the nut straight and lost 150bb - I had 4 to straight and a pair. I can play an hour now with somewhat ok play, but really after 30 minutes there is a notable downward spike in my skill.

5NL is going good, lots of good flops and good starting hands. 3k profitable hands do not make me a winning player, unfortunately. But hopefully this time the trend continues.

When it comes to bluffing, not that many stupid plays. Here is one. There is some value sometimes to bet river to get villain out of the draws with a hand you are sure you can’t win.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($19.99)
SB ($5.64)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($5.10)
MP ($4.35)
CO ($2.62)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 8
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.20) 7, 4, J (4 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.60) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.38, MP calls $0.38, 2 folds

River: ($1.36) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.66, MP raises to $1.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.68 | Rake: $0.11


Week in figures:
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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:36 PM
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Hey, so interesting to see someone else for whom multi-tabling doesn't come naturally. Every couple of months I decide to give it a try, only to wind up giving up after 3-4 tabling for 10mins because my head feel like it's ready to explode lol



Have managed to find a way to play 2 tables faster by minimizing distractions ... that seems to be working okay ...

GL braveslice!!
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:21 AM
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Posts: 568
Hi Sam,

Totally not coming naturally Some 20 years ago I was chosen to be top of my age group when I applied to air force. The main areas to test were coordination and multitasking, both things I would assume are important in multi-tabling. But no luck with that, so the only way to do it is to practice.

That said 12k hands four tabling translates only to 12 hours of practice and that is very short time to learn anything new.

Interesting point you made about 2 tabling. After keyboard shortcuts for fold and bet size to 3bb, the record speed I have had is 650 hands per hour and totally effortlessly. That is not far from 4 tabling speed.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:44 PM
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Hopefully multi-tabling is something that can be improved upon with practice - that would be nice

650 hands/hr is spectacular, considering there's all that wait time in the big blind once every six hands. The most I've been able to play is about 450? But once I tried adding a third table and was only able to play 500, so maybe 450's not so bad. Was only playing about 200-250/hr before, so my rate's doubled just by cutting out the internet surfing. But to be able to play more than 450/hr would be great.

Maybe your multi-tasking and coordination'll come in handy after all, like maybe yeah it's just a matter of practice, and you'll be 4-tabling in no time - looking forward to reading about your progress

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Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:31 PM
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Monthly goal completed!

Some light also in four tabling, last 5k hands I have made a tiny bit profit. Maybe next month…

5NL tables were not very nice to me. I played bad and had bad luck, a deadly combination.

Week and month in figures:
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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:43 PM
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Bad bluff

Villain: 23/5/5 (60), WWSF:7/15, AF:2

At least I guessed he doesn’t have A. Check on the turn was because I though having A, would also X, but well maybe I was wrong there.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($2.60)
SB ($2.69)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2.01)
Hero (MP) ($3.05)
CO ($3.26)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, 6
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.44) A, 9, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.29, SB calls $0.29

Turn: ($1.02) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.02) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.67, SB calls $0.67

Total pot: $2.36 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:48 PM
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Yeah, aside from cbets, I would almost recommend never bluffing at 2NL.

Even my cbetting has dropped a lot at 2NL. It's down around 50% a lot of the time now. There's just so many value spots with big hands that it's often not worth even bluffing half the time.

Good luck and leave some of the fish for me.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2014, 02:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhoylegend View Post
Yeah, aside from cbets, I would almost recommend never bluffing at 2NL.
I totally agree, however it's just so fun
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2014, 02:53 PM
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Be a break even 2NL 4-tabler: Completed


It took ”only” 12k hands. Obviously it’s not that easy to say when one is a break even, but looking the graph (below) it should be safe to say – Break even! The scary part could have been that I lost 18BI in the process, but really it wasn’t.

What I learned was some basic stuff, like never bluff, don’t call of suit connectors like ever OOP, KQo OOP is the worst two cards in multiway pot, something like 56o is better. Also, tight is better because it’s easier to play with good cards in the time frame you have. And when I say learned, I still don’t always “remember”.

Connectors are hard to play when multi-tabling also because, to win with them you sometimes need to win with other merits like bluffs. It takes time and concentration maybe too much still for me.

Playing ABC game is relatively easy task, but reading the stats at the same time is still very hard. And when there is exciting hand, it’s sometimes just best to let other hands to fade away.

Btw, I was two tabling 5NL and oh my that was slow Made some ridiculous plays, just because I was bored, and guess what, the lady luck was in my side, 4 outers here I come. My All-In Ajusted was -11$ and still at the end some profit was made.


Subgoal - Be a break even 2NL 4-tabler in one figure:
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Right, I totally forgot how to play poker at 5NL zoom. I don’t know why that happened, but luckily this week it came back. The timing is great, because otherwise the need to drop back to 2NL would have been immediate. Funnily, in that case I could have played 4 tables

There are at least two possible explanations. 1. The game is just so different, for example calling shoves is profitable enough at 2NL but doing that at 5NL needs a reason. 2. I tried to copy the feeling, you know I’m not good enough to not to go by the feeling often, from the 4 tabling environment. So I probably ended calling too much and stuff like that.

As soon as I noticed being the table fish at the 5NL I dropped 4 tabling and 2NL altogether.
My original goal was set to 20k hands per month, because I was thinking that by 4 tabling I can easily do it, but now with 2 tables it’s too much for me. So the goal is changed to hours.
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:37 AM
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I had not so great day at poker. The long lasting lack of skill ended and I was even making some profit before this! Now on Friday 2NL is really close. I made a three large mistakes in my game a) I was trying to force pots for me & bluffing that is b) I called a bit too loose c) I did not adapt to the Friday night game style

I did make profit a while:
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Some ‘great’ hands:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($2.63)
SB ($20.09)
BB ($4.97)
UTG ($9.30)
MP ($5)
Hero (CO) ($5.87)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.50) 7, 3, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.78, SB calls $0.78, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.06) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.52, SB raises to $7.50, Hero calls $3.07 (All-In)

Running it twice

First River: ($6.12) 5

Second River: ($6.12) 9

Board 1: 7, 3, 6, 10, 5
Board 2: 7, 3, 6, 10, 9

Total pot: $12.24 | Rake: $0.51

Results below:
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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5.15)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($5.15)
UTG ($5.12)
MP ($5.08)
Hero (CO) ($5.24)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 9
UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 7, A, K (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.66, UTG calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.69) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.96, UTG calls $0.96

River: ($3.61) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.47 (All-In), UTG calls $3.35 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.31 | Rake: $0.43

Results below:
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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Hero (Button) ($6.86)
SB ($5.39)
BB ($5.07)
UTG ($7.97)
MP ($7.98)
CO ($6.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 2
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.58, 3 folds, CO calls $0.43

Flop: ($1.38) 4, 5, 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.78) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

River: ($5.78) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $5.78 | Rake: $0.24

Results below:
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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($4.93)
SB ($4.42)
BB ($4.09)
UTG ($9.19)
MP ($5.07)
Hero (CO) ($5.31)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.36) 4, 2, 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, SB calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.72) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.38, SB calls $0.38

River: ($1.48) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

Total pot: $3.88 | Rake: $0.16

Results below:
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Last edited by braveslice; Sun Mar 16, 2014 at 08:39 AM..
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:38 AM
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Posts: 568
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($2.29)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($4.96)
MP ($5.58)
CO ($8.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 7
3 folds, Button raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 6, 2, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.52, Button raises to $1.79 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $2.09 | Rake: $0.09

Results below:
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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($8.05)
SB ($2.81)
BB ($5.32)
UTG ($8.39)
MP ($5.28)
CO ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 2
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.44, 1 fold, BB calls $0.39, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.05) 4, Q, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.54, BB raises to $4.88 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $2.13 | Rake: $0.09

Results below:
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Last edited by braveslice; Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:21 AM..
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 05:37 PM
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Posts: 568
Goal punishment hand, bad bluff. Villain no reads:

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($5.63)
SB ($3.77)
BB ($5)
UTG ($3.70)
MP ($5.23)
CO ($5.59)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.26) 10, J, 4 (2 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.66) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

River: ($1.30) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $4.36 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $6.30 | Rake: $0.26

Results below:
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Sun Mar 23, 2014, 07:00 PM
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Posts: 568
Good week in poker, made 6.18 hours 2 tabling, 2.5k hands -> believe or not, profit was made 20bb/100. Lucky me. This actually means that this month is in profit, total of 4 dollars The whole year combining 2NL and 5NL is still -3 dollars. But I made my first stellar -> 10$ -> profit

Would I have known this before I went for 4 tabling 2NL Stay away from 2NL if you can, it really makes you play suboptimal. The style needed there is way too different compared to 5NL. I wonder if 5NL and 10NL are more similar in style.

This following hand throw me out of my poker skill zone all went bad after this, and I mean because there was no more skill to play; luck has only little to do with it. I really do hope that my skill will return soon.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (Button) ($7.95)
SB ($4.47)
BB ($21.65)
UTG ($4.30)
MP ($5.04)
CO ($4.52)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, Q
UTG raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.40) K, J, 9 (4 players)
SB bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.60, SB calls $1.20, BB raises to $21.55 (All-In), Hero calls $6.25 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($17.70) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($17.70) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $17.70 | Rake: $0.73

Results below:
Hero had 10, Q (straight, Ace high).
BB had A, Q (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $16.97

Week in figure:
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Last edited by braveslice; Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:08 PM..
 
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Sun Mar 23, 2014, 07:12 PM
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Posts: 641
Yeah on that multitabling topic, i completely remember when i first started playing poker on 2012 i was nearly timing out on 2 SNG's, now i can pretty comfortably play 6-8 tables cash and 12 tables SNG's.
So practice makes perfect.

Gl on your goals, i suck at zoom, so i dont play it for now, gonna give it a go when i build my roll back up.

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Mon Apr 07, 2014, 11:49 AM
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Posts: 568
Yeah CrazYJohnnie, I guess the multi tabling really is about the practice. Did you just add one table at the time and how many hands it took to master 12 tables?
 
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Mon Apr 07, 2014, 11:52 AM
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Posts: 568
Good week, 6% more than the goal 5.3 hours and 2k hands. 19bb/100 was the result.
There was two interesting days,
a) my first ever heater 616 hands, won 5BI, 84bb/100.
b) Me playing drunk (on Sunday I may add), 551 hands, lost 2.8BI, -47bb/100

My first heater:
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Drunk and losing:
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Tue Apr 08, 2014, 05:01 AM
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Posts: 348
ugh oh ..... my head was about to explode when i tried to find explanation for "being succesful 4-tabler..." ... like dude... number of tables doesnt have anything to do with profit/goodplay... the only thing iz if u can do the same decisions at 8 tables as in 2 tables.... but if u have bad strategy and thinking, then 8 tables will make u lose BR only faster... so increase number of tables only when u see that ur strategy works over some ... 5-10k hands...

to sum it up.... players play moar tablez cuz they get bored from i.e. just two..so simply if u not bored, or feeling like u cant make your final decision fast then dont play moar tables...(i mean... i make my decision fast so i always wait for other players to act... and thats makes me feel like i m wasting time... so i play so much tables as i can take....)...
 

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