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$0.50 NL Hold'em [45 Players, Turbo](100/200) A5s (12BB stack) HJ shove - Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:05 PM
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Hello, everyone!
This is my first hand post. I hope the easy one. Was not sure about this so I need HA help. Had no HUD stats or smth. Was a little bit schocked cause villain has a gold status. Whatever. So my question is simple...Its bad to make a shove like this when you have 12BB in a turbo tourney? Thanks!


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Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:25 PM
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This hand is an interesting spot, typical of the types of situation you will often come across as the blinds start to increase.

Your M number (Your stack/blinds + antes) is 5, so you need to be looking for spots to steal the blinds and antes and should be just moving all in or folding.

If V4 hadn't limped, I think deciding whether to move all in or not is pretty borderline. Because your cards are suited, I think moving all in is the correct play. If you had A5o I would fold. FWIW A5s is a better hand to shove than A6s because of the straight draws that A5s gives.

With the extra dead money that the limper provides, I think it turns the A5s into a definitely +EV shove, so well played.

V4's play is pretty terrible and goes to show that you shouldn't pay too much attention to the stars when you see a Goldstar or even a Supernova at the tables!
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:37 PM
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Thanks, Spand!

I like these points about A6s and A5of. I will keep it in my brainz!

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Your M number (Your stack/blinds + antes) is 5, so you need to be looking for spots to steal the blinds and antes and should be just moving all in or folding.
I read that it means how many orbits player can survive on the table without playing. I am not sure is that true.. Which M number is safe and when I should warn myself and change playing gears? Which is better to use, M number or simple BB count?

Thanks one more time!
Mindaugas (MyNumber7)
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:26 PM
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I prefer to use M number (also called CSI) over BBs because they take the antes into account.

Dan Harrington invented the concept - there's a wikipedia article that describes his concept in more detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ratio

Lee Nelson in "Kill Everyone" has a slightly different take on M-numbers (he calls it CSI)

17+ - Normal cash game poker
12-17 - Start to turn up your aggression. Stop any limping strategies you have.
7-12 - Be very aggressive - you need a VERY good reason to call preflop
2-7 - Shove/fold stage
Below 2 - Chip and a chair!
 
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Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:26 AM
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Thats cool

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12-17 - Start to turn up your aggression. Stop any limping strategies you have.
Actually I dont like limping and I never limp except when I am BB or SB possitions, but its still useful to know.

Thanks, Spand!
 

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