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Tournament hand ended up in quads. Comments?

Tournament hand ended up in quads. Comments? - Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:39 PM
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I wonder if I played this one hand wright. Comments?

Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:25 AM
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Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:22 AM
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Hi jmarcelo.sf!

With KJs from UTG, I'm going to open-fold here as it's not a strong enough hand to be playing from this position. If it folded to me in middle/late position, I'd make a standard opening raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, but not from UTG. The only hands with a K that I want to raise to 90 with here are KK or AK.

If I saw the flop and see that I get top two pair, when an opp leads into me for 90 chips, I need to make a standard raise. Bets postflop need to be sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture. With two opps, a standard bet is 2/3 pot, so I need to raise by 2/3 pot here (a raise to 280). I don't want to raise to less than this or to call, as I could then be giving the opp the correct odds to try to outdraw me. If I do so and lose, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

The turn gives me a full house and the opp makes another abnormally small bet. I'm going to raise here again and since there is now only one opp, a standard sizing is 1/2 pot, so I will raise to 413.

On the river with the nuts, when the opp checks to me, I'm going to bet whatever I think the opp will call and this will be based on a read of the opp. If I think they will call 1/3 pot or 1/2 pot or a shove... whatever I think they will call. However, I'm going to err on the smaller side here, as I want the opp to call. I don't want to bet too much so that I get no value for my hand by them folding.

The key here though, is to muck KJs preflop, as it's not a strong enough hand to play from UTG and on hands that I do play, I need to make standard bets and raises.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:35 PM
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Considering the stack that jmarcelo.sf has already accumulated, I would open this hand, even from under the gun. You can't be a big stack bully without playing a few marginal hands, the key is knowing when to let go when the run out isn't so good for your hand.

You aren't going to win a lot of tournaments only playing premiums, they don't happen often enough. I do agree that your sizing was too small, especially pre-flop. Stick to a 3x open until the blinds are bigger.

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 03:31 AM
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Since: Jul 2011
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This hand had already been analyzed, but I'd like to give my opinion here.

The only huge mistake I see in your play here was opening K-Js utg in the first place. Yes, you're a huge stack with almost 600bb, and you can easily be a bully with that kind of stack, the key to being a bully is choosing your spots carefully - If you think the table's particularly tight, then I would say a raise from the hijack or possibly even middle position could be warranted, but otherwise, it's best to stick to the button and cutoff for these kinds of plays. Position is very key, and it's a lot easier to play in position.

Post-flop, you played well flop and turn. I would have bet a bit larger on the flop, but when we hit 2nd nuts and he donks into us for a small amount again, I'm feeling ecstatic - only pocket Kings beats us, and the chances of him having that are astronomical. Better yet, his constant min-donk-betting signals "I have a mediocre hand yet I think it's still good, and I'm not folding." You continued aggression on the turn was great.

I'm not totally sure about the river when he checks to us, though. While he probably does have lots of K-x hands in his range her that would call wide, I don't know how often they would call an overbet for all of his chips with such a hand (probably more than I'd give credit for XD). If you're certain he'd call a shove, by all means that was a good play. Personally, I would have bet closer to half the pot, just because it would be easier for other hands to call.

Overall, only big mistake was K-Js utg.

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