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5NL 6m zoom - 88K flop - cb or not? - Thu Jan 23, 2014, 11:58 AM
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Should I CB, and if so why?

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Button ($11.56)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($4.54)
UTG ($3.55)
MP ($2.52)
Hero (CO) ($5.73)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 8, 8, K (2 players)
 
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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:19 PM
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I check dry flops and bet wet flops vs passive players il then lead most turns and check fold the river.

If i know a player is aggro with his draws IP i check call flop and turn and to hero call a river with 2nd pair i would need some read and i havent found any players to be bluffing the river with 3 barrels so i fold.

Theres a ton of aggro players at 5nl raising these paired flops and over bet shoving the turn with trash so look out for that one.
 
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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:31 PM
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I usually check back in position on this one, but the flush draw means you might be able to get some value from spade draws, while also protecting yourself from overcards.
If there's no flush draw, I'm checking back almost always, and I balance my range by also checking back Kx too, in order to get two streets of value.
With lower pairs (like 99/77) I'd go ahead and c-bet, primarily to try and take the pot down before overcards hit the board.


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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:53 AM
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Arty said it. My strategy with under pairs is usually to bet once because we are vulnerable to overcards. Like if we had TT in this spot I would cbet because of J, Q, and A; it's not so significant when we are holding JJ because its just 4 extra outs of overcards but if we look at the board of 88K what hands can we get value from? TT,99 might call but 77, 66 are folding. So on a K 5 3 forexample we could expect to get called by PPs that we beat also if our opponent is capable of x/r this flop with their FDs then we will have to fold so I'm slightly leaning more towards checking back this flop and looking to call a turn bet or bet turn if they check to us. If they are on the passive side we could cbet this flop to extract value from FDs also like Arty mentions we are going to balance our range by checking back KJ/KT here.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by geoVARTA View Post
Arty said it. My strategy with under pairs is usually to bet once because we are vulnerable to overcards. Like if we had TT in this spot I would cbet because of J, Q, and A; it's not so significant when we are holding JJ because its just 4 extra outs of overcards but if we look at the board of 88K what hands can we get value from? TT,99 might call but 77, 66 are folding. So on a K 5 3 forexample we could expect to get called by PPs that we beat also if our opponent is capable of x/r this flop with their FDs then we will have to fold so I'm slightly leaning more towards checking back this flop and looking to call a turn bet or bet turn if they check to us. If they are on the passive side we could cbet this flop to extract value from FDs also like Arty mentions we are going to balance our range by checking back KJ/KT here.
So you wouldn't bet OOP vs BU if the flop was K89 tt?

Or if you open CO and SB and BB comes along,SB will probably have pairs and some suited broadways and the BB can easily have some straight draws we can get value from.

Where on a paired flop like you said not much worse can call and on a KQx flop i would also check IP or OOP.
 

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