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Folding Flopped Trips - Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:00 PM
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I have another nitty fold I'd like to have looked at. I'm okay with my fold. I'm sure I am beat most of the time, even if the raiser is playing a crazy 60/8. And I haven't invested much. But the fact that I folded trips on the flop raises the question of what flop I wanted and should I be calling with this hand in this position pre-flop at all if even this flop isn't good enough to continue with. Thoughts?

 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:25 PM
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You're folding flopped trips to a 60/8? Come on bro.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:41 PM
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What would you put him on that I beat with his pot-sized reraise? Loose passive suddenly getting aggressive makes this a questionable call.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:07 PM
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He can be doing this with a wide array on non - Ax hands given he got mindonked into.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:06 PM
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The 8 part of 60/8 tells me that he loves to limp or call pre-flop. When he reraises pre-flop (even if it is a minimum) I tend to think he has a better hand, probably AJ+. When he reraises again on the flop and shows more aggression, he is almost certain to have the other A, since aggression is so uncommon from this passive player. Likelihood that my kicker can hold vs his = not very good. Also have to not get outdrawn by the obvious flush draw from the other opponent who wants to come along for a bad price.

My question has more to do with whether I should be calling pre-flop in this position with this hand.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:29 PM
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Folding preflop is fine, but I think calling is also OK as you're getting such a good price.

Folding the flop is too nitty. Villain doesn't have to be doing this with better Ax, maybe worse Ax, maybe a bluff, maybe KK that hates the AA and wants to try get everyone to fold.

Somebody who is playing this loose passive isn't a thinking player and could be making all sorts of strange moves. I'd just call flop and evaluate on later streets.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:43 PM
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just a terrible fold imo btw.....hiccup

if you use proper bank roll management.....losing the hand would be no big deal, you can re-load and play again.

I would have shoved after his raise.....but please refer to my poker rule #1

Cheers

P.S. after seeing this......I will have to add a note on you....hiccup
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:15 PM
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I would have to ask what percentage of your bankroll are you playing here because tbh if youve called pre what exactly are you hoping to flop that you wont commit your stack. Whilst I agree that a 60 / 8 player may well have a better ace your fold for me was too nitty. Its either a call and evaluate the turn or a 3x reraise and ask the question. Shoving is an option but I feel that polarises your hand in your opponents eyes.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bouncer1963 View Post
I would have to ask what percentage of your bankroll are you playing here because tbh if youve called pre what exactly are you hoping to flop that you wont commit your stack. Whilst I agree that a 60 / 8 player may well have a better ace your fold for me was too nitty. Its either a call and evaluate the turn or a 3x reraise and ask the question. Shoving is an option but I feel that polarises your hand in your opponents eyes.
ya.....hiccup, what he said....

my reply was done by adding numerous beers.....and a fattie or two

and l'm not talking the Mr's

Cheers All
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bouncer1963 View Post
I would have to ask what percentage of your bankroll are you playing here because tbh if youve called pre what exactly are you hoping to flop that you wont commit your stack. Whilst I agree that a 60 / 8 player may well have a better ace your fold for me was too nitty. Its either a call and evaluate the turn or a 3x reraise and ask the question. Shoving is an option but I feel that polarises your hand in your opponents eyes.
If you're asking if I was playing scared money, that wasn't the case. I have plenty of buy-ins. I just didn't see much point continuing as I'd only invested 2c and I feel I'm not ahead that often. The advice to call and evaluate the turn has me curious. Sounds like we're proceeding without a plan and without position. As for 3-betting 3x or all-in, I can't see how we're getting value from a worse hand.

I don't outright disagree with any of you. Just want to see more explanation for why this is obvious call.

I think this hand just shows me why I shouldn't bother calling with this hand in this spot pre-flop because short of flopping flush, bottom trips, or 2 pair, it's going to be auto fold.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 08:30 PM
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And now I've done enough digging with an equity calc to decide it's a call. Even if I narrow his range to AJ+, 88, QQ, and KK, I still somehow have 52% equity. These are the hands I put him on based on him being passive and his raise pre-flop and his potting it on the flop, but I'm probably giving him too much credit. So my equity just goes up if he does this with more hands than these.

Cheers all
 
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wtf? - Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:38 PM
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okay..now tell us the 1 about Cinderella -lol
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:06 AM
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