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QT Suited agains a shove - Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:39 PM
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Should i called this ?? It was close to the money , i decided only to call i didnt want to raise but i wanted to see a flop with QT and short stack shoved.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:57 PM
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My 2 cents here,

With a quick stack check, I think you are around about 15 big blinds and under the gun? So for me it's a fold pre flop.

And as played limping utg, to the shove it's a fold. Though the maths guys may say you have some equity for the price... but I'm not going to bubble an orbit/blind level later playing that hand now.

Last edited by ForrestFive; Sun Jan 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM.. Reason: bubble soon short stack
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:10 AM
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Hi Manowar1800!

With 17BB in a turbo, I get QTs from UTG. Due to my stack size, I really have two plays here, shove or fold and since I'm not willing to put my tourney life on the line with this weak of a hand with the whole table to act behind me, I need to fold.

The one play that I absolutely do not want to make is to open-limp. Open-limping is a very weak play that will leak off a large number of chips over time due to opponents exploiting me by raising. If I'm not willing to make a standard raise with a hand when I'm the first one into the pot, I need to muck it.

When the opp shoves, this is an easy fold for me.

If I was one of the opps and saw the open-limp, I'd be shoving much lighter than normal, as the limper is most likely going to have some sort of marginal-at-best hand, that cannot call a shove. Spots like this are where the phrase "Punish the limpers" definitely applies.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:20 AM
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Thank you for the answer, it really hellps , i ll have that in mind in the next tournaments when i have situation like this .
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 11:47 AM
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Hi Manowar1800!

With 17BB in a turbo, I get QTs from UTG. Due to my stack size, I really have two plays here, shove or fold and since I'm not willing to put my tourney life on the line with this weak of a hand with the whole table to act behind me, I need to fold.

The one play that I absolutely do not want to make is to open-limp. Open-limping is a very weak play that will leak off a large number of chips over time due to opponents exploiting me by raising. If I'm not willing to make a standard raise with a hand when I'm the first one into the pot, I need to muck it.
Imagine you limp in with QTs and the flop comes QTs and another low card/offsuit..The opponent raises half pot. You will risk against him not getting a flush? What would be pot size and your/opps chip stacks for you to risk putting a lot of chips in there? Lets say thats a cash game nolimit.

For me personally its quite often the similar scenario..
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:04 PM
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Imagine you limp in with QTs and the flop comes QTs and another low card/offsuit..The opponent raises half pot. You will risk against him not getting a flush? What would be pot size and your/opps chip stacks for you to risk putting a lot of chips in there? Lets say thats a cash game nolimit.

For me personally its quite often the similar scenario..
First thing, I'm never open-limping unless I mis-click. 1/2 pot vs one opp already prices out a flush draw, so I'd just call. For determining when I'd want more chips in... I would need to know the stack sizes and especially what type of opp I'm up against.

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