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88 agains weakness on the flop - Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:12 PM
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what do you guys think about this call? i think its horrible but todasy i think i can only play nuts at ring games, the villian is a unknown.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:18 PM
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I dont think he is ever bluffing there.

Bet/Fold is the right line on the Turn for me. I liked betting turn after the flop check as it is less likely that he has an A, we would get a 9 or a 5 to fold often on the turn by betting, but once he shoves, he has it here.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:56 AM
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Just be done with the hand unless you hit an 8 in my opinion. It's great when villains do these small min-raises out of position pre-flop because they announce their hand as being super strong and give you great implied odds to stack them. However, alarm bells should be going off like crazy when the A hits the flop and the villain checks. If the villain has what they're representing pre-flop (ie. AA, AK) then they've got us crushed and if they don't (ie. were just clicking buttons and have 86o) they'd probably bluff this flop everytime.

I still don't even bet this turn when checked to me because another possibility is that they have a hand like JJ-KK and now there's almost no chance that they'll fold it. I don't see any hands that we can really get value from by betting and there also aren't really too many hands that we're worried about giving free cards to I think...
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:54 PM
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i agree with the opinions here, but its very common to see people doing mini tribet and shoving wildly on boards just because of stone cold tilt, and hte table had a 1 dl in average pot and 35% players flop, if were at a "normal" table i wouldnt did it, but i still think i did a mistake and even if he bluffs here the odds are very bad, because sometimes were crushed in this spot, i agree also the bet in turn is bad. thanks for you feedback.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by scarface763 View Post
i agree with the opinions here, but its very common to see people doing mini tribet and shoving wildly on boards just because of stone cold tilt, and hte table had a 1 dl in average pot and 35% players flop,
It's still bad imo because:

1) He's unknown, no reason to think he's on tilt
2) He had a chance to tilt shove the flop and didn't take it, then again to tilt shove the turn, before he check/raised... tilters who are monkey-shoving lack patience in doing so.
3) To call off we need to win the pot a whopping 44%+ of the time to show a profit. Not only is this extremely unlikely to be a bluff this often (imho), but we actually need it to be a bluff more frequently than this because there is still one card to come, and some of the bluffs will have equity (outs to river us).


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