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Can you provide the link? - Sun Feb 02, 2014, 01:23 AM
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Hello PSO Members,

I am wondering if anyone would be able to provide me with links to articles or videos on calling shoves (in particular short stacks) and what the thought process should be in making the decision to call or not. I have found that this is an area that I have had a lot of variance in. By learning to take into account other factors that I may not be considering, I feel that it will help improve my tournament game significantly.

Thanks,
A fellow PSO member
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2014, 07:32 AM
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Hello PSO Members,

I am wondering if anyone would be able to provide me with links to articles or videos on calling shoves (in particular short stacks) and what the thought process should be in making the decision to call or not. I have found that this is an area that I have had a lot of variance in. By learning to take into account other factors that I may not be considering, I feel that it will help improve my tournament game significantly.

Thanks,
A fellow PSO member
Hey Arv,

One video that came to mind close to this subject is Tyler Frost's 'Hero Calling' session. I like the tagline 'When should you be a hero? When it's +EV of course'

You'll find the video here:


This is a cash game video though and I see your a tournament player. I'll look to see if I can find anything exclusively for tournament play on this subject

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Sun Feb 02, 2014, 10:50 AM
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what the thought process should be in making the decision to call or not.
I'm not sure if there are any/many videos or articles about this, but when calling a short-stack shove, you need to assess your pot odds and compare it with your likely equity against a range, and also factor in some ICM.
I think the only way to do this well is to practice with an equity simulator and/or ICM calculator and bascially do the math.

I've not done a huge amount of work on this, but I've learned that most players would do well to significantly tighten up their calling ranges. I see many players routinely call off 10bb with hands like KJ or QTs, when these hands are often getting it in pretty bad and basically burning money.
The "gap concept" applies pretty strongly. If you're calling a shove, you nearly always need to be crushing a villain's range to be making an +EV call. e.g. If a villain is shoving 20% of hands, you can usually only call with the top 10-12% or so.


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Sun Feb 02, 2014, 03:00 PM
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Alright, I will check out Tyler's video soon. Arty, i'll try and play around with my tournament histories using PT4 and practice some.

Thanks fellas
 

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