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77 with 14BB - didn't ship - what to do on flop? - Wed Feb 05, 2014, 06:55 AM
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Normally I would just ship this hand preflop over loose passive limpers with big stacks that I still have some fold equity against.

Here I flatted preflop.

I was thinking maybe the short stack behind on 4BB might get all-in and one of the big stacks might call and then fold if I reshipped.

All the big stacks I had position on (v7/v8/v9) were playing 30+/10

Or I could have limp/folded pre if the big stacks behind went over the top and I was up against a couple of bigger stacks.

Bit fancy play syndrome really - think I should have shipped it.

But - as played - nobody raises preflop and in position everybody(3 players)checks to me on an ace high flop. Ace is the only overcard to my pair.

Should I bet now?



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Wed Feb 05, 2014, 07:20 AM
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I would shove after a limper or limpers with just 14BB's I don't have space post flop, I don't have implied odds to set mining. If I think UTG slow played something than folding pre is better .
 
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Wed Feb 05, 2014, 02:23 PM
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Hi Ed!

I think you nailed this one... fancy play syndrome.

IMO, when the opp limps, the best decision that I can make is to ship 77 here. There are too many scare cards that can come (half of the deck is higher) and when multiple of them hit with multiple opps, I won't know where I'm at and can easily be beat.

If I had TT or JJ and wanted to be tricky, then I may make a standard raise, then be ready to shove ANY flop. But, the lower my pair is, the worse this play becomes due to more overs that can hit the board and if an opp hits top pair, they're most likely never folding to my shove.

As played, I'm shipping the flop, but unfortunately wouldn't be surprised to see one of the three opps call with A/rag (which my shove preflop might get to fold). If they all fold, I'm gaining almost 50% to my remaining chips and even if it would be only about 20-25% gain, I'd still shove here.

The best play though, is to shove preflop with a middle pair.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:58 PM
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Hi Ed!

I think you nailed this one... fancy play syndrome.

IMO, when the opp limps, the best decision that I can make is to ship 77 here. There are too many scare cards that can come (half of the deck is higher) and when multiple of them hit with multiple opps, I won't know where I'm at and can easily be beat.

If I had TT or JJ and wanted to be tricky, then I may make a standard raise, then be ready to shove ANY flop. But, the lower my pair is, the worse this play becomes due to more overs that can hit the board and if an opp hits top pair, they're most likely never folding to my shove.

As played, I'm shipping the flop, but unfortunately wouldn't be surprised to see one of the three opps call with A/rag (which my shove preflop might get to fold). If they all fold, I'm gaining almost 50% to my remaining chips and even if it would be only about 20-25% gain, I'd still shove here.

The best play though, is to shove preflop with a middle pair.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)
Cheers John

Pretty much as I thought - overall best policy would have been to ship 77 preflop (which I would usually tend towards) - as played I did take it down by betting on the flop instead.

Got away with it but it immediately struck me as a mistake that came good.

Thanks for your input.

Ed


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