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New Player - Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:18 PM
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Hi All,

I am a new poker player. I have dabbled in the past but with no real intent.

I fully intend to start playing a few home games and maybe visiting a few casino's as well.

However I want to get to a point where I am at least breaking even online first, and maybe making a small profit.

I have played alot of hands over the last week, all no limit micro holdem (the game I have chosen to play).

I believe I have a good handle on the hands rankings etc... and position and have done alot of reading however I am still loosing money. I try to play tightly and aggresively but feel I am losing hands to straights and trips that I didnt see coming or should have beaten.

If anyone is willing to share any insights I would greatly appreciate it, maybe even someone who is willing to discuss hands with me, via mail or on here.

I am going to be having a look through the poker school and the hands analyser but could really do with having someone take a look at my hands as well I think.

Regards...
 
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Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:06 PM
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Hello s4nd4ls,

Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline. Here's a short video about PSO and what it has to offer you. Also check out >>This Page<< for more info.



It's very common for most players to be losing at first, in fact the majority of people who play poker regularly will be losing or break even over time. But it doesn't have to stay that way. You seem like you are really willing to learn which is the most important thing, there are plenty of resources here to help you. Firstly all our courses are great and should help you get to grip with the basics. After that there's always live training sessions and plenty of videos on a lot of different concepts for you to work your way through. Poker is really quite a complex game so it won't happen over night but if you get into the habit of working hard on your game then things will improve no end.

Also if you ever want to discuss some of your hands our analysis forums are great for that. Any time you think you misplayed a hand or are unsure about something stick the hand up on the forum. One of the best ways to find your leaks I say.

We're here to help you so please feel free to ask any questions you may have and thank you for being a member of PokerSchoolOnline.

Cheers,

Chris



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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 07:28 AM
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for replying, I am currently busy going through the school and will post some hands when I am unsure as the correct method of playing.

I look foward to learning more.

Regards
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 07:38 AM
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Hey s4nd4ls,

Welcome to the PSO forums and great to see you here!

Raiser


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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:16 PM
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Since: Feb 2014
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Thanks Raiser,

Just a quick question I am interested in checking out the community home games but the video isnt available on the link.

How do I find them, also can you tell me abit more about them please?

Regards

Steve
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:46 PM
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Posts: 4,901
Hi s4nd4ls,

You are invited to join the PokerSchoolOnline Community Home Games Club, and information on how to join the club may be found HERE. This month the PSO home games club will be hosting the PSO Winter Games, which are designed to emulate the Olympic Games. More information on the Winter games can be found HERE.

Hope to see you there!

Joss


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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by s4nd4ls View Post
... I believe I have a good handle on the hands rankings etc... and position and have done alot of reading however I am still loosing money. I try to play tightly and aggresively but feel I am losing hands to straights and trips that I didnt see coming or should have beaten....
The two hand you recently posted did not exemplify the play you reference.

Poker isn't about good hands, it's all about good situations. Good situations are harder to find from EP than from LP.
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:53 PM
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Hi Trumpin Jo,

What you say about situations make sense, I do not know what EP and LP are though, unless you mean equity for EP.

If not is there a link to somewhere I can read up on them?

Scratch my last couple of posts, from reading your posts on my two hands i now understand you mean early and late posistion.

OK so i need to be more selective than I am in early position.

Last edited by s4nd4ls; Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 02:56 PM..
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:32 PM
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Hi HolkyPokyToo,

The first link you have posted, I cannot watch the video to see the instructions.
Is there a typed version?

Thanks
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 06:18 PM
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Hi, Welcome ! im sure you will learn a lot here, there is a loooot of info and great people and teachers that help.
Good Luck!!!
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:14 PM
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Hi s4nd4ls,


Go to the main lobby, and click on the home games tab. Then click 'Join a poker club' located to the left. Enter the ID# and password that are under the video, with your user name. The club manager will accept you within 24 hours.


Hope this helps.


Joss


2 Time Bracelet Winner


 
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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:18 PM
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Hi s4and4ls,

I'm new here too (but not to poker) and have been studying the way people play in relation to the various games as much as the "textbook" way to play. After trying a bit of the different game options I've decided to simply play the monthly open league tournaments and dissect the game to understand what is going on in other type of player's minds. In the Open league there are different parts of the games that play exactly like a large MTT, a turbo SNG or a cash game. You just have to survive to see the aspects of all of them. Surviving is often about folding just about everything that is not golden (hole cards).

For all the talk of correct play there is very little being said anywhere about statistical considerations about schemes to go about things in relation to your objective (Winning, cashing, break even play or ranking points in leagues). Usually people refer to the existence of maniacs and poor players in the very early stages of large MTTs, but some of these players are often not simply what they appear to be, they have schemes they are implementing. Some are very much willing opportunists with a sound understanding of the real advantages that early big stack leads will afford them. They quickly morph into a breed of samurai player (not afraid of death in battle) after they get their initial goal (i.e. tripling up). They then go about trying to isolate low stack players that have called in from early position (usually by raising stiffly behind them to get rid of everyone else and then attacking them by playing loose-aggressive when they have 33% of hitting the flop and improving their hand). Eventually even these guys become tight-aggressive, though. And then later, they change again. It's very situational. There's a very strong statistical case to be made about playing this way if you value your time and play only to finish top 3. Riding a spurt of initial luck is a multi-tournament approach, though. It is based in large numbers of early failures for a few high reward opportunities. That doesn't work in cash games, but you do see players trying to implement the same type of LAG strategies against weak players when they feel they can read someone and have position.

The great thing about the Poker School Open league, for me anyway, is that it forces you to learn what patience can give you (time) and become aware of the dynamics between "gambling" for having a better shot at first and, i.e, being solid in order to last for ranking points. You can accumulate a fair amount of ranking points by folding every hand in a tournament when you first start off. It' ll take you about an hour to do that. As soon as I became committed to simply lasting as long as possible (I have folded all hands (100%) in PSO tournaments about 5 times in 50 starts). I have conditioned myself to think of a 100% folding rate in the face of garbage cards and situations as my objective in this league play (for points reasons). When you want to practice folding all the time you start noticing more and more that pesky hands like AA, KK, QQ and AK (in late position) keep showing up to ruin everything, lol. I just shove those every time and keep track of how much longer I can survive with one doubling-up, then two or three, or with certain chip amounts at various intervals...By doing this I have discovered that this super simple approach delivers an ITM rate (top 15%) of about 50% (it won't deliver that in buy-in MTTs, though). Top 5% finishes have been coming in at about the rate of 6-8 per 50 PSO league tournaments. I have had 3 better than 1% finishes (one top 25/10 000). If you want to add to that simple things like set mining (when blinds are low and your position is late) or blind stealing when the blinds and antes get big and you hold an ace, then you can realistically expect to add more minutes to your game clock with a certain frequency.

The other thing I've done is roughly logging (in order to be aware of the variable) the size of the field in relation to time elapsed. In the Open league half of the 10 000 players will be gone on average in 19 minutes. You can also monitor the time it takes for the delta component of the points formula to hit break even (around position 2500 when you are rated a 1500 player, or around position 1250 when you are a 2200 rated player). I've personally sat down and charted out the various cut off points in the tournament positions (and from them time intervals) that I want to achieve to get a certain amount of points based on my ranking. It has injected fun into the individual game that has otherwise very little going for itself when you are not getting cards, if you ask me. Poker can be a very, very boring game if it is played "properly". I think that's why people stray away from doing that. So many want to believe they might hold a certain special cunning quality that can separate them from the rest. I find I need some goals within a game to keep me focused. Rating my patience is one of them. I see myself as rock solid when I have perfect fold rates, even if I fail to score points in a tournament.

Ask anyone who has been at this for a long time and you will likely be told that Poker today is about having a sound systems approach. The whole concept of hand ranges in certain positions and all the other considerations that pros talk about are all based in the systematic preparation that has gone into the game before the game. Playing poker is about testing systems all the time. Good long term poker play is simply applied statistics. To get good you must become aware of the different variables in the games you chose. Cash games are very fundamental. Other types are very strongly related to time considerations and luck frequency. High luck games must be played with a multi-tournament approach where you ride your profitable and fortunate gambles. I don't think you will be "good" unless you dissect the variables and understand what is needed in terms of performance to achieve a certain result. Too much tight, correct play will lead you to not be aggressive enough in many games out there.

That's my personal angle. I'm using the league play to gain understanding of various things.I am looking at minutia too, like how much time I am using on my clock and what blind frequency it is generating for me (how often the blinds go up before they come back up to me). The funny thing is that it factors greatly into other things like 6 player SNGs where a player can live and die another round of hands depending on how fast hands are played.

Awareness in the game you play is everything. Be aware of all variables and clearly define what you want to achieve. If it is winning at cash games then patience is everything and it is all about getting paid when you are golden (when in a strong statistical advantage). That's why strong players never really call much, but raise often. They are in to be all-in if they hit a friendly flop and they are out in a flash otherwise. They are always likely to be golden. Statistics is their sword. They understand that to be profitable there often has to be a weak players, because sound play is also defeated by blinds and rake.

I spend more time in preparation of play than playing right now, and it's been mostly about studying the statistics involved. When I play I am trying to gain statistical awareness of what I am doing (how is what I am doing working as a strategy in the game I am playing).

Have fun with it.
 
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Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:33 PM
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hi and Welcome,Good luck at the tables from Canada
 

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