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Can Anyone Become a Poker Pro? - Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:44 PM
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I have been taking all the courses and have become a much better player because of them but other than getting the math of the game down what is it and how does someone get to that next level in playing? Unlike sports where one has to have a certain athletic and physical ability playing cards is a mind game and I quess what I am trying to find out is if you can grasp the math can anyone become a pro?
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:56 PM
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Short answer is No. (if you mean make a living at it)

Takes discipline, willingness to learn mental toughness as well as other things, so if the question is Can you become a pro. then yes if you are A. financially stable and have the determination and drive you can.

can anyone Grade b for example ...No he lacks the discipline he needs to study the game and review his mistakes, (plus his wife said no).

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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:07 PM
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My answer would be yes, anyone can become a pro, all you have to do is make it your profession.

To be a successful pro you need to be good. And that takes more effort and time than the likes of myself can ever put in.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:06 PM
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I think I would tend towards the answer

YES - ANYBODY COULD BE A PRO...

By that I mean there is no real restriction on who could have the potential to become a pro poker player.

OK you have to have some starting tools - for online poker you need a starting roll, a device and access to the net - for live play you need a starting roll and a venue to play at.

But it is a form of self-employment like any other - if you work hard and are good at your job you can potentially earn a living at it, whatever your background or circumstances.

So everyone with access to the games can take a shot, and those who have the brainpower, discipline, dedication and self-management, who can put in the hours and perform well could be a pro poker player.

And if you earn the majority of your income from poker then you are essentially a pro - whether you are making $2K or 2000000K per annum.

I am happy if I can pay my internet bill from playing poker.


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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:28 PM
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I quess what I am trying to find out is if you can grasp the math can anyone become a pro?
Yes, but the key here is Hard Work and Determination.

Interestingly I'm reading a book at the moment on Alexander The Great by Sean Patrick where they talk about the concept of becoming truly 'Great' at something, anything at all.

They mention that nobody is born with amazing talents or skill and they introduce the concept of the '10,000 Hour' rule.

The '10,000 Hour' rule was devised by Swedish psychologist Dr. K Anders Ericsson and states that regardless if anyone has an aptitude for an activity or not mastery of it takes approximately ten thousand hours of focused, intentional practice.

He studied some of the worlds greats and found that:
  • Henry Ford failed in business several times and was flat broke five times before he founded the Ford Motor Company
  • Thomas Edison's teachers told him he was "too stupid" to learn anything
  • Beethoven was so awkward on the violin that his teachers believed him hopeless as a composer
  • Michael Jordan didn't make his sophomore team as he was deemed too short and average to play at that level
  • Stan Smith was once rejected as a ball boy because organizers felt he was too clumsy and coordinated.

Stan by the way went on to win Wimbledon, the US Open and 8 Davis Cups!

Researchers found in all these cases and countless others that they went on to achieve greatness because of one common factor. They practiced so hard and intensely that it hurt!

By the way, it's a long road. If you practice 4 hours and day, seven days of the week it would take you seven years to hit the 10,000 hour mark. If you don't know that a full-house beats a flush after that it's time to give up

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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 08:10 PM
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(plus his wife said no).

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10000 hours - Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:22 PM
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Hey Bro I really APPRECIATE the feedback. It is really interesting to me the diverse types of people playing for the really big money and your examples are proof that no matter what it is you need the passion to go with the hard work. THANKS AGAIN
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 02:23 AM
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I have been taking all the courses and have become a much better player because of them but other than getting the math of the game down what is it and how does someone get to that next level in playing? Unlike sports where one has to have a certain athletic and physical ability playing cards is a mind game and I quess what I am trying to find out is if you can grasp the math can anyone become a pro?
Yes -- but it will be harder for some than others. And a Pro at what. Not everyone can become a Pro at high stakes heads-up playing 100-$200 blinds. But people can learn to beat easier games for a living. The thing is it that it is really hard to do.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 03:23 AM
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I'm an A***** pro at Heads Up Hypers....


Well only played 20 games at micro stakes:
$1.50 NL Hold'em [HU, Hyper-Turbo, 2 Players] Profit $7.44, ITM 65%, Win/Lose is 13/7

There is a guy called Isaac Haxton (@ikepoker) at the high nose bleed stakes, explaining on an #EPTLive commentary, the importance of a consistent 55% win rate to be profitable over rake in a field you can crush.

A professional poker player is much more advanced live and on-line than "beating the rake" they earn a living from playing poker. I'll let you know how I get on, "I may be gone for some time".


So for those who don't me and my bad jokes. I don't have a $150 bank roll to have 100x $1.50 buy-ins. But confident enough not to lose the price of an expensive shirt and "variance justified"* unlikely to beat the rake in the long run.

If I bump into Ike at the high stakes, I'll post it here at PSO first.


[*] "variance justified" = "it depends", probably means I should shut up now.

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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 03:27 AM
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i dont think any1 can become a pro, like in any sport some people can try as hard as they want do everything they can and still dont make it, the same applies to poker, if it was possible that any1 could become a pro, we all would follow a set form of guidelines to success and we all would be pros, the only problem with that is we all would probly be losing players because of the rake
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 05:56 AM
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If everyone was a pro would anyone be a pro?
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 06:25 AM
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If everyone was a pro would anyone be a pro?

oooOOOOOooooOOOOooo, nice question


I think that if everyone was able to claim the title of "pro" then a new title would emerge for people who were actually good pros, lol. Like Super Pro, or something. Because in that case what really would be happening is everyone who is now just calling themselves a "Poker Player" would then be calling themselves a "Pro Poker Player" and people like Phil Ivey, Daniel Negreanu, and Gareth Chantler would need a higher title of some kind
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:07 AM
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I think many players may call themselves a professional poker player but are actually losing money.

Overall I have made money playing poker, but if you worked it out on an hourly rate I'm in terrible shape

I would of been better off collecting aluminum cans, But you can't watch TV and drink beer when collecting cans.
Unless you count the ones you drink

But hopefully one day my hourly rate will be OK
Best of Luck to you.
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:58 AM
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True, guess there would just be a new kind of ranking. But if everyone was a pro would anyone make money in the long run? And Chucky, There are a lot of people that think they are a pro just because they have the bankroll. I play at the casino once in awhile and it's always the same people playing poker. They just keep rebuying and rebuying. But, i don't mind it at all.
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:49 AM
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Can Anyone Become a Poker Pro?.....hiccup.....


Sure they can.........an old guy or girl.....a young punk that lives in his mom's basement.....a drunk and so on....

This is the beauty of poker......anyone can.....

Most Pro sports like......Hockey/golf/baseball/tennis etc......takes tons of cash and years of physical training,

So it is possible to become a poker pro by Starting with no cash and no knowledge? .....sure...

play freerolls to start a bank roll and start to learn the game..and online training is free.....it costs nothing but your free time.

I'm no pro......but can say this.....

Over the years I have met many folks that started with nothing but has done very well in the game with starting with nothing.......

but l have never met any old lady/man or punk/drunk that lives in his mom's basement that plays hockey/golf etc.......

anyways.......

This is why many have the dream........ Anyone can Become a Poker Pro....

Even my Mom


This his been another ramble from the pso drunk...hiccup

Cheers All
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
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I agree with yes anyone can be a poker pro, but i also believe it takes someone that is willing to learn, handles the swings well and has the right attitude towards the game to make it big.

I mean, anyone can bink a tournament on any given day but it takes a lot more to sustain those winnings and become a solid, winning poker player.

Fortunately for us nowadays, we have the tools available (e.g PSO) and other sites to help us become that winning player but it takes a lot of studying and playing to gain experience to get there. I don't mean to speak like ive been there done that because i have no clue what it's like to be a big winner in this game This is just what i think you need to be successful.

Unfortunately there is a downside to this easy access training because anyone can just go online and find great training for free, therefore making the competition tougher and making you have to adapt your game to account for the new level of play that keeps getting higher each year.

That's not to say that it's impossible to beat the game, even at the highest level you still see people crushing, the best example being Daniel Negreanu with his recent WSOP player of the year title and number one on the GPI consistently going deep in these high variance strong fields in the WSOP/EPT etc.

So yes anyone can be a pro but it takes a hell of a lot of work

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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:31 AM
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I agree with yes anyone can be a poker pro, but i also believe it takes someone that is willing to learn, handles the swings well and has the right attitude towards the game to make it big.

I mean, anyone can bink a tournament on any given day but it takes a lot more to sustain those winnings and become a solid, winning poker player.

Fortunately for us nowadays, we have the tools available (e.g PSO) and other sites to help us become that winning player but it takes a lot of studying and playing to gain experience to get there. I don't mean to speak like ive been there done that because i have no clue what it's like to be a big winner in this game This is just what i think you need to be successful.

Unfortunately there is a downside to this easy access training because anyone can just go online and find great training for free, therefore making the competition tougher and making you have to adapt your game to account for the new level of play that keeps getting higher each year.

That's not to say that it's impossible to beat the game, even at the highest level you still see people crushing, the best example being Daniel Negreanu with his recent WSOP player of the year title and number one on the GPI consistently going deep in these high variance strong fields in the WSOP/EPT etc.

So yes anyone can be a pro but it takes a hell of a lot of work

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Totally Agree....it's takes tons of work....l was just being brief.....hiccup

But like l said.......anyone can be a pro poker player.....hiccup

Which makes this game do-able by all.

p.s. is do-able a word?

Cheers all
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:35 AM
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Yeah definately,

Anyone can win big with a massive heater taking a shot or a big MTT win but it takes a lot more skill and mental ability to maintain your "A game" when variance hits you.

That's what separates the winning players from the break even/losing players

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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 11:08 AM
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Yeah definately,

Anyone can win big with a massive heater taking a shot or a big MTT win but it takes a lot more skill and mental ability to maintain your "A game" when variance hits you.

That's what separates the winning players from the break even/losing players

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yep


I guess what I'm trying to say is.........

What makes this game loved by many is.........no matter where you come from....or if your old..young...no legs....or three legs....a drunk......male....female....etc.....

You can be a poker pro.

Poker is most likely the only game out there where this is possible.

I have never seen a poor one legged old pro hockey player.....hiccup

Poker makes it possible for everyone........lov this about the game.

cheers all
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:38 PM
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A well rounded definition of a professional would consider that to be a poker pro you would need to be qualified, make money as job and skilled.

You might bink a win, but does that make you skilled and 'qualified' in Tony G's eyes? Almost certainly not.

I do not think that anyone can be a poker pro, the games are not what they were 5 or 10 years ago. The amount of skill and the amount of hard work to qualify as someone who can make a living from this game is pretty phenomenal.
 

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