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good river bluff? 2nl zoom - Sat Feb 22, 2014, 05:27 AM
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given that their will cb here w/ any pair they raised preflop i just called once he check turn, he is either potcontrolling w/ A or have some JJ,TT so when river came Q , i though i could represent something stronk here lulz
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 05:33 AM
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"Good bluff" and 2NL doesn't go well together...
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 06:38 AM
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"Good bluff" and 2NL doesn't go well together...
Totally agree.

The villain obviously had absolutely nothing. If he had anything, he likely calls.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:19 AM
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Not a big fan of the preflop call. Maybe raising flop is better we can fold better hands like PPs and when called we can check back turn to see a free river card instead of having to face two bets. OTR, I think the bluff is kind of optimistic because we rep so little. Are we checking back turn with an Ace? Only hand I could think of that takes that line is KdQd, QdJd basically a FD that turned SD value OTT. Also what is the opponent representing that we can get them to fold? A weak Ace that checked turn for pot control maybe? But do we expect the average player on 2nl to fold that? I'd like to have a good read before I take a line like that. The thing is, there are wayyy better spots to make money from so taking creative lines every once in a while without a read will get us blowing a good chunk of money that we had won playing ABC poker so we end up having to grind that back up again until it's time we go creative again and repeat the cycle. That I think is breakeven poker
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:46 AM
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Fold pre. You are not making money with that hand. Plus, no one in their right mind folds Ace for that amount on the river, what were you trying to represent there? Sure when you flat preflop raise there are some QJ/KQ in your range but meh...
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Not a big fan of the preflop call. Maybe raising flop is better we can fold better hands like PPs and when called we can check back turn to see a free river card instead of having to face two bets. OTR, I think the bluff is kind of optimistic because we rep so little. Are we checking back turn with an Ace? Only hand I could think of that takes that line is KdQd, QdJd basically a FD that turned SD value OTT. Also what is the opponent representing that we can get them to fold? A weak Ace that checked turn for pot control maybe? But do we expect the average player on 2nl to fold that? I'd like to have a good read before I take a line like that. The thing is, there are wayyy better spots to make money from so taking creative lines every once in a while without a read will get us blowing a good chunk of money that we had won playing ABC poker so we end up having to grind that back up again until it's time we go creative again and repeat the cycle. That I think is breakeven poker
do u rly expect average 2NL player to fold small pp on flop or turn? they just always call it
 

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