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PokerStars To Remain Poker Only - Sat Mar 15, 2014, 12:37 PM
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Without much fanfare it has to be said Full Tilt Poker recently introduced Casino and Slot games to it's software.

I've heard that Steve Day, a well known PokerStars Representative on 2Plus2, has said that PokerStars have no plans to do this.

'I guess you can never say never but at this time 'We Are Poker' and nothing else' he was quoted as saying.

This is good news in my opinion and I'm curious to hear what other members think of these games being available in a poker client?

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Sat Mar 15, 2014, 12:44 PM
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To be honest should Pokerstars introduce casino games, i for one will be playing elsewhere.


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Sat Mar 15, 2014, 12:47 PM
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To be honest should Pokerstars introduce casino games, i for one will be playing elsewhere.
The question then Tony might be where? As most poker rooms offer them in some format or another.

I also prefer a 'Poker Only' client.

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Sat Mar 15, 2014, 12:51 PM
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TBH I'm playing elsewhere because Pokerstars is poker only.

I play many more whales on site's that have gambling attached to them than on Pokerstars. I'll hint on it on my next blog but I honestly don't want to play with good poker players,.

I'd rather chase the whales who love a side gamble on sports or casino.

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Sat Mar 15, 2014, 01:44 PM
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Fair comment Ovalman and Raiser, its been said that sites offering other casino option have softer poker rooms, if thats the case then there would be an argument to join such a site.


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Sat Mar 15, 2014, 01:54 PM
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I for one am really happy PokerStars have no plans to introduce casino games, I think a poker site should be for poker. I'm happy the company will be completely focused on providing the best poker experience and all their efforts and resources will used just on poker.

I was never a huge fan of Full Tilt anyway although I do have an account but I don't see the point in clogging the client up with non-poker games. That being said I'm not against brands branching out altogether. If a company wishes to venture into casino style games or sports betting etc then I think they could easily create a new site specifically for that and not overload a poker client with non-poker things.



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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:10 AM
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Thinking again, I don't think it would make much of a difference. People play here because they play poker, side games would just help them lose their cash a bit quicker.

On 3 of my other 4 site's, people are regular punters and have poker as a sideline. They'll play the game in between races or as they wait on a football match to start. As such there are many more recreational and fishier players which TBH is why I play there. Pokerstars rocks for stability of software and multi tabling but it also attracts the best players. I'm one of the better players elsewhere but here I'm just your average Reg that can eek out a bit of micro stakes profit.

People wouldn't join here to play the side games so I don't think it would make the site any fishier. If anything it would help them lose a bit faster and make it less profitable.

I've changed my mind but you can maybe understand why I don't use Stars as my main site


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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:36 AM
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Stars ought to stick to monopolising poker imo. They are very good at it.

I prefer other sites that can bring betting, bingo and casino traffic into poker.

It seems like Full Tilt will take the same kind of traffic away from the poker tables now.
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:55 AM
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TBH I'm playing elsewhere because Pokerstars is poker only.

I play many more whales on site's that have gambling attached to them than on Pokerstars. I'll hint on it on my next blog but I honestly don't want to play with good poker players,.

I'd rather chase the whales who love a side gamble on sports or casino.

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I would prefer a client that is Poker only but i love the angle Ovalman... More casino more adverts on the web for people who want to GAMBLE rather than play Poker, those people will move around and begin playing in the poker rooms and it is more fish for the aquarium.

Its an interesting argument
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 05:31 PM
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I can understand the argument that it may bring more fish to the tables but in all honesty I'm not sure it'd attract many more than Stars gets already. There are plenty of newer players wanting to give poker a go as the game is rapidly becoming more popular and if PokerStars continues to be the biggest name in Poker then a lot of these players will come to Stars anyway.

On another note I don't think it would be good for Stars brand image. If you think about casino games and sports betting etc you are playing against the house and you know what they say; the house always wins. This brings a certain resentment amongst some people/customers. I for one am never too keen on "the house". Whereas I really like Stars as I feel they're trying to give me a good poker experience and are acting in my interest. Sure they still make money from me by way of rake but I feel more than happy about that considering what they provide in exchange.



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Sun Mar 16, 2014, 05:40 PM
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As a former gambler I hate the fact that Full Tilt has introduced casino games to their client. How many of you have gambled your poker bankroll away to the house after having a losing day at the poker tables? Just me? I don't think so!

Having said that I do think it's a smart move by FTP. They will make more money and we will see more fish at the tables, there's no doubt about that, but for me and other players that share 'the gambling spirit', this is disastrous.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:56 AM
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i agree with chris and i want to add something. if there are casino games introdcued and a fish has a bad day why would he stick to poker when he really can gamble in the casino. i think its pretty bad for something like the hypers which is a game tilted people like to play. i think it does fit in the image of FTP to have a casiono but i really hope pokerstars doenst do it.


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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:07 AM
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before answering this question it would be interesting to know the stats on the amount of new players pokerstars gets these days as to in the past!...is this information available anywhere?
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:37 AM
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only poker is the best option! the name speaks for itself"POKERSTARS", not "casinogamestars"!
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 08:42 AM
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How does anyone know if stars are getting enough new players, if there's not enough new players the games will get tougher like they already are, everyone will be solid and there will be no money to make.

I know a few people already on other sites that when they cant win at poker coz they suck, they go away and gamble on roulette, and go back to the poker tables to have another go.

I can only see my winrate go up if stars bring on casino games, i cant see how possible it could effect my winrate in a negative way.
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:36 AM
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With regard to Stars getting new players I think really you only have to look at how many hands are being dealt and how many players are sitting at the tables. I don't know what other people have notice but the times I have played on completing sites, even on Full Tilt, I often find there are only a few tables on the go of each level, sometimes none for some levels or half filled tables, very few sit n gos and small field MTTs that are few and far between. Stars have dozens of tables of every level and even the lesser played games are always running and plenty of sit n gos and MTTs start every minute.

Do we really want the people playing these to be distracted and not playing poker because the black jack tables offer a quick thrill? So even though it may bring more fish to a site it doesn't mean poker traffic will up all that much.

I also think, especially to these new "fish" that casino games attract, it gives the impression poker is all luck too and I honestly don't think that's good for the game. Do we really want a new generation of poker players that think it's about how good you run? Then they get sick of losing and give up on the game.

A poker site that promotes the growth of the game in a sustainable way is what PokerStars is about and for that reason I think it will always be the market leader.



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Keep stars poker only - Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:40 AM
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I am with Chris on this one as an ex gambler, one the reasons I play on pokerstars is becouse it is just poker.I liked playing the Satties on FTP now I binned that site (keep your slots)I want to take the money off players not for them to lose it on Bingo, slots or vidio games
 
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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:28 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't PokerStars now own Full Tilt? This gives them the best of two worlds. They can remain poker only on this site and offer casino / slots / sports betting on the other. They profit from all action.


Since I'm American, I figure my voice doesn't count since I'm stuck in chips. What I would like to know is how much effort PokerStars is making to get us back to the virtual felt.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2014, 12:33 AM
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LOL so many other top branded sites have all included off poker games , they should be made tp exclude the name "" POKER "" and have Casino attached to there name ,how is any poker site really advertise poker when they are offering betting on sports, ETC ,and a list of NON-POKER games , ITS a Casino and Poker Stars will live on as long as they do not follow the trend of these sites trying to catch up with definitly the Ultimate card playing site in the world
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2014, 01:11 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't PokerStars now own Full Tilt? This gives them the best of two worlds. They can remain poker only on this site and offer casino / slots / sports betting on the other. They profit from all action.


Since I'm American, I figure my voice doesn't count since I'm stuck in chips. What I would like to know is how much effort PokerStars is making to get us back to the virtual felt.

Full Tilt is indeed now owned by the Rational Group, the company that owns PokerStars, but it run separately but it's own staff. I do suppose having a sister company doing something different gives them a better idea of how doing such a thing as offering casino games would affect the company/site though.

Also I have been following what Stars have been doing to try and get back into the American market and trust me when I say as soon as it's legally possible (which they are pushing for) they want to be the first in the door.



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