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NL5 FR turn bet - Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:31 AM
UrGetinTaxed's Avatar
Since: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: $5.00 (VPIP: 6.45, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 32)
CO: $5.05 (VPIP: 13.21, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
BTN: $12.56 (VPIP: 5.33, PFR: 5.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
SB: $4.57 (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 3.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: $7.18 (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 22.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 59)
Hero (UTG): $5.27
UTG+1: $5.00 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 57)
MP: $5.00 (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 162)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T:spade: T:diamond:

Hero raises to $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) Q:diamond: 7:heart: 8:club:
Hero bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60

River: ($2.07, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero bets $1.40, UTG+1 calls $1.40

[spoil]Hero shows T:spade: T:diamond: (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 81%, Flop 12%, Turn 14%)
UTG+1 mucks 7:club: 7:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 88%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins $4.67

Would you bet turn here, i think maybe its bad becouse looks like villain has a Q which im behind, i block the draw hands like 910 and 10j, wich i don think they would cold call here anyway, but i do have a gutshot 2 nd pair with outs to set so i think its cool to bet turn ?

edit: when i post hand in pokerstrategy forum using pokertracker as above they come out, with the cards showing like cards, on here they turn out like in writing ex. T:diamond, can i change this?

Last edited by UrGetinTaxed; Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM..
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:32 AM
birdayy's Avatar
Since: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,179
I don't like cbetting the flop.

Given we did cbet the flop I dislike betting the turn too.

Given we did both of these things we obviously have to bet the river on this runout.

I'd prefer x/calling twice or if the flop checks back, bet the turn for value and decide what to do depending on the river card.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 11:43 AM
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Since: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
somtimes i take this line hear birdayy or iv started too, but i think being UTG the ranges are a bit stronger and i rather just get a fold on flop as iv easily got QA+ here?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:32 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,512
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Hi taxed,

The problem here is that all those flop folds you get are from worse hands, except for JJ specifically, and he may not fold that to a single bet anyway. When villains are folding all their worse/low equity hands and putting more money in the pot with their better/higher equity hands, that's not going to bode well for us.

I think vs. this villain in these positions I'd prefer to have TT in my flop check/call range, if it checks through we can consider betting the turn and getting called by worse pairs that suspect we have AK, or check/calling turn again and betting river if it checks through. Our hand strength (pre-straight) is likely only good for 1 street of value here and the flop seems like the least likely one to get from worse if we bet.

As played, I don't like the turn bet at all, for the reasons above. What worse hands are calling this flop bet? Probably few/none.

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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:57 PM
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Since: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
thanks, check calling here is something i been working on alot recently rather than just mindlessly c-betting, i thought i played it bad so i posted to make sure

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