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10NL ZOOM, AKo X/Shove OTT TPTK NFD - Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:33 PM
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I played this soooo bad and got rewarded! I think things went wrong when I decided to CC preflop.

EP(50): 29/22/2.3
MP(8): 25/13/1.5

PF: I decided to call OOP... blockers to AA and KK... meh
OTF: TPTK with NFD, XC
OTT: Tanked for a long time. Original thought was to just call... but I decided that I'm free rolling vs AK in case he's bad and get's it in, and I have fold equity vs AA, KK, QQ, JJ if he's a good player???

Also, I'm not getting paid if I hit a spade. So I decided to shove here.

Once again I think the major mistake is PF, but as played would you x/shove this turn?


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Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:16 PM
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Just wondering... what are you thinking about doing different PF ? fold or 4bet?
I do think flatcalling could get you into a tricky spot with a player yet to act but folding looks very nitty and 4bet could get ugly if you are 5bet-shoved on. So calling might not too bad a play.

I love your shove OTT for sure..
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:23 PM
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Just wondering... what are you thinking about doing different PF ? fold or 4bet?
I do think flatcalling could get you into a tricky spot with a player yet to act but folding looks very nitty and 4bet could get ugly if you are 5bet-shoved on. So calling might not too bad a play.

I love your shove OTT for sure..
I actually think fold preflop... UTG opens and gets 3bet by MP.

The reason why I decided to just call was the fact that the 3bet was a PSB (3.5x). Didn't look like a value 3bet. I'd expect AA, KK to make it 0.90 (3x) but this is 10NL so who knows!

When the villain cbets and tbets the I'm convinced he has a real hand. So OTT I thought calling would have actually been the worst play. I think shoving or folding were my best options.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:41 PM
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Agree that calling turn is no good.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:14 AM
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Hi guys,

Well I can't disagree more on the turn play. I can't see any reasonable hand the villain has taken this line with that we're beating, nor do I believe we have any tangible fold equity vs that range. No one is folding a set here, c'mon now. We are basically targeting AK/AA to fold which I think is optimistic vs a 10NL random. The fact that he's barrelled again on this board doesn't bode well for us imo. Even if we had a defined read/knowledge that this villain would bet/fold AA 100% of the time here (our best case scenario for check/jamming and almost unrealistically optimistic), it's still super thin:

AA - 3 combos
AK - 6 combos
KK/QQ/JJ - 7 combos

Our hand has too much equity to fold getting over 3-1 immediate odds, especially since we can be tied sometimes and will chop blank rivers when it goes c/c. But raising all in seems to be clearly -EV to me given the strength of his range and the extremely limited fold equity I perceive. So it seems to me that calling is the clear play here, check-folding the river to a big 3rd barrel when we don't improve (leading when we do).

Preflop decision I like, I think flatting is better than 4-betting or folding in this situation (and I love the fact you considered folding too, not weighing all the options is a mistake and in many cases folding AK can be ruled out quickly, so a lot of players have gotten in the bad habit of not even considering it... but in this spot considering it has some merit).


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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:45 AM
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Dave! OTR when we hit, just lead for the villains whole stack?

I agree it was pretty bad to shove OTT but I can't see the villain calling OTR unless they hold QQ with the Q of spades.. Maybe T of spades. I can't see the villain put the rest of the money in the middle with a set once the 4th spade comes.

Or is this irrelevant? Just make the 3-1 call to win the pot and not make any more off the hand?
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:58 AM
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Shoving is a pretty large bet, I lean more towards about $3.50, but have no solid proof that it gets paid by a high enough frequency to be more profitable than a shove, just gut instinct since most of his calls will fall into the "I'm going to be a hero" or "I can't believe how unlucky I just got" category, and the smaller bet seems more palatable to both.


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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Thanks Dave! FWIW... #fischigespieler


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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 04:45 PM
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I lean more towards about $3.50
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