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2NL 6m zoom. too nitty fold? - Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:20 PM
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I folded without hesitation being busy 4tabling but a buddy of me said it should have been a call (at least).

I'm still not sure... could be call. I was basically done with the hand and looking for the next spot.

What do you think?
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:03 PM
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I think you can comfortably call here OTF. You have a gutter and your K and J outs might be clean. I would call at least OTF and re evaluate OTT.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:14 PM
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I think you can comfortably call here OTF. You have a gutter and your K and J outs might be clean. I would call at least OTF and re evaluate OTT.
Agree.

BvB he doesnt have to have a strong hand to cbet. If you know he fires every flop then you can even consider a bluff raise and reassess based on his future action.

Again, read dependent though, at 2NL some players wont fold but others will snap fold.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:20 PM
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you can even consider a bluff raise
I don't like a semi-bluff OTF in position. I think you can XR or DONK as a semi bluff OOP. IP I like just calling. There are a ton of cards that we can continue on. Any, K, J, Q and any spade are all good for us. If any other card other than the ones listed above, we can either bet OTT once the villain checks to us or we can check it back and see if we hit OTR.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:39 PM
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I don't like a semi-bluff OTF in position. I think you can XR or DONK as a semi bluff OOP. IP I like just calling. There are a ton of cards that we can continue on. Any, K, J, Q and any spade are all good for us. If any other card other than the ones listed above, we can either bet OTT once the villain checks to us or we can check it back and see if we hit OTR.
I think it depends on player tendencies to be honest. It's just one possible line.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:44 PM
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I think it depends on player tendencies to be honest. It's just one possible line.
AGREED!
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:13 PM
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Blind vs blind at 6-max, I'm floating with any equity whatsoever, and against some players I even do it with total air. Calling the flop is mandatory here, imo.
To be more brutal, if you're calling pre in the hope of making top pair, and will fold the two thirds of the time you miss, then you're better off folding pre.


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Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:14 AM
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Blind vs blind at 6-max, I'm floating with any equity whatsoever, and against some players I even do it with total air. Calling the flop is mandatory here, imo.
To be more brutal, if you're calling pre in the hope of making top pair, and will fold the two thirds of the time you miss, then you're better off folding pre.
was watching him with teamviewer both hands and told him he totally misplayed them, haha i can be such a analyzer
 
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Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:16 AM
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Yeah yeah, I got the point. I messed up this hand. Guess 4table zoom made me miss 2 spots I might have gotten value. Normally play 3.


Last edited by rkleefstra; Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:18 AM..
 
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Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:55 AM
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Hi rkleefstra,

For me it all boils down to what we know about the sb. This will aften be a pf 3b spot for me. Calling preflop is fine though, especially since we have position on the villain. As the others point out we do have enough potential to improve that we can profitably call the cbet and reevaluate on the turn. It is important to also note that you are both fairly deep here. This greater potential reward makes the risk of calling the cbet even more worthwhile. We may improve to the best hand including the nuts with a straight. And, many opponents cbet their entire range, but shut down on the turn and river if called.

I wouldn't consider semi-bluff raising this flop against an unknown, especially at 2NL. Players at 2NL in general call too often which significantly reduces the effectiveness of bluffing. Here we have no information suggesting they would be likely to fold.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX

PS: I make use of the "pause all tables" button to take notes for example after seeing a showdown. it is quick, easy and effective
 
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Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:30 AM
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With you having position, 2 overs and a gutter to the nuts your equity in the hand even against a tighter opening and c-betting range should be good enough to continue. You could even think about bluffraising, but I feel calling will be an overall better option as it utilizes positional advantage better and the outs you can hit are cards that can get you paid more.


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