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sizing OTR - Thu Apr 03, 2014, 09:31 AM
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I usually fold an unknown open from his pos. or earlier in this spot but his sizing made me think, that he might be stealing a lot in the HJ, and CO positions.

I decided to flat and play my AT in pos. we get a nice flop and I 2 bet for value. The turn is an action killer and I check behind because I feel I am only getting action from better hands.

OTR I bet small thinking I might get some calls by weak flushes and maybe even a top pair top kicker type hand that doesn't hold a spade.

My question is my river play, I have the 3rd nuts if he opened with AA he has me beat. The straight flush is out there too. Do you think I should be betting bigger in these spots for value and risk losing his weaker hands or is this sizing ok for value?

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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 11:23 AM
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hand replayer gives "no data found"
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 12:18 PM
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hand replayer gives "no data found"
really it is playing fine when I view it. I might have to edit and re enter it
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 02:03 PM
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Medic!

Preflop... if the villain is opening 18 percent-ish from MP then ATo is ok. We're looking for hands that are between 45-54% equity vs our opponents range preflop IP... definitely the bottom of our range

Sizing OTF is good! I would maybe make it 9k but 11k got called so that's good.

OTR: I would bet 2/3 pot closer to 20k. Big spades aren't folding here OTR and you're only losing to AA. I would definitely big BIIIIG.

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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 02:45 PM
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i think the bet is fine...

i dont think the villain has much here considering the passive line they took here...
i wouldnt be surprised if they called you with an ace, kicker no spade....
but placing it in a real money spot id play exactly the same, maybe without the check raise on the flop but, cause i wouldnt want to be faced with a 4 bet, nor would i want them giving up on bluff hands or hands we crush that they would barrell with..
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 02:56 PM
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maybe without the check raise on the flop but, cause i wouldnt want to be faced with a 4 bet, nor would i want them giving up on bluff hands or hands we crush that they would barrell with..
Why wouldn't you raise the flop here??? I'd be looking to GII OTF, we're only 132bb deep and we've flopped top 2. Our hand is very strong but it's also vulnerable. I can easily see the villain getting it all in on this flop with AK with the K of spades. and sometimes I see them getting it all in with KK (K of spades)

If we were deeper.. yes a 4b would suck but I still think our hand is too strong to fold.
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 03:47 PM
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i think the bet is fine...

but placing it in a real money spot id play exactly the same, maybe without the check raise on the flop but, cause i wouldnt want to be faced with a 4 bet, nor would i want them giving up on bluff hands or hands we crush that they would barrell with..
I was really hoping for a 3 bet here. My plan was to insta shove if he took that line. As far as placing it in a real money spot, it really plays like the micros at this level in play chips so I am playing exactly the same as I would in the micros.

I wouldn't post any smaller play chip zoom sessions because they just play like free rolls but here it plays pretty good. I think if you just went here and observed table you would agree it plays like 5nl or 2nl real money. You get some people doing crazy things but its the same thing in the micros.

I also really thought about 3 betting for value pre flop in this spot because his open sizing looked suspect to me. The only reason I didn't 3 bet is because I was sure he would just fold all his steals and just continue with his stronger hands and I wanted to play post flop. I will let you guys know what he had after the HA has looked at it

P.s. I think you both have some valid points and I appreciate the feed back

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Thu Apr 03, 2014, 04:51 PM
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Medic!

Sizing OTF is good! I would maybe make it 9k but 11k got called so that's good.

OTR: I would bet 2/3 pot closer to 20k. Big spades aren't folding here OTR and you're only losing to AA. I would definitely big BIIIIG.

Thanks!
Hey dirt eh, I thought about going a bit smaller OTF, I thought I could get more value than that given the range of hands he might have here. I think all his Ax hands are calling and I might get 3 bet by his Ax with one spade. I think all his combo draws are at least calling here like KQ, KJ, KT with one spade. I am not really hating life if he folds a draw here either.

OTR, I was really targeting all his weak flushes and his Ax type hands with my small bet, I had no reads on the player and I thought he might fold to a bigger bet, still I was unsure if this was the best sizing. If I thought he might fold to a bigger normal bet maybe an over bet here might even be a better line.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2014, 11:59 AM
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Hi FireMedic815,

OTR, I think its hard for any Ax without a spade to ever call us no matter how much we bet. Well maybe if we bet 1bb they would call :P But the point is, I want to bet as big as possible to get called from the lowest spade they could have maybe Js. Whatever size you choose as your default river value bet but increase it a few bbs. so for example if you would bet 2/3 pot here, then go for 3/4. if you bet 3/4 go for a PSB. Sometime we can also over bet here depending on how bad we think the villain is and gets sticky with basically all his flushes.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2014, 12:00 PM
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Hi,

I would bet big. Pot it. So many of these guys are just calling or not calling, regardless of size, so let him be the hero. 2/3rds pot is no good imo... if they pay this much they'll pay more. Either go less than half pot (small) or very big.

The weak flushes you're targeting are likely to hero us after the turn goes c/c and they check the river... they didn't call the flop raise with 9s9x to fold river vs this action sequence.


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Sun Apr 06, 2014, 12:21 AM
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Thanks all, I really appreciate it. the villain held 43 of spades. That was kind of the hand range I was targeting with my river bet, but I think he was calling a bigger bet, that is why I wanted some feed back. Right after I made the bet I thought I should have bet bigger or even over bet and got hero called. I just didn't think he had much.

thanks again, it really helps.

John
 

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