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big$55 - is this a correct laydown? - Sat Apr 05, 2014, 08:32 PM
marvinsytan's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 6,453

first few hands of the game

pre flop standard raise 3x bb called

post flop opponent donk bets almost a pot size bet

I still feel comfortable with my hand so I reraise 3x his bet he called

turn opponent checked I raise pot size bet so that to let him pay the maximum if he is drawing to anything FD SD or a pr of 6's

RIVER - things turn crazy when suddenly opponents donk shoves all in

if he is BLUFFING here then it was a good play by him

Do you think he is bluffing or he is Value Betting his straight or 66?

and I managed to run deep in this tournament for $200+
Sat Apr 05, 2014, 09:57 PM
joy7108's Avatar
Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,284
I think it's a good fold - why risk your tournament life so early when your opponent is telling you he has you beat? If this was a bluff, then good play and you carry on (as you did). Well played IMHO.

PS. I think every time I hero call in this kind of position I hit the rail. Remember, it's only a pair.

Sat Apr 05, 2014, 11:58 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,793
Hi marvin!

With KK on the button, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB or 60 chips.

The board has a pair and the opp makes a larger than normal donkbet into me (standard bet is 1/2 pot). With the board being paired and having an overpair, I like the idea to raise here as this should not only get value for my pair, but give me a much better idea where I'm at in the hand. I will size the bet at 3x the previous bet (360 chips).

The turn should be a blank and the opp now checks to me. I'm going to make a value bet here, but the key is the sizing of it. With one opp in the hand, a standard bet is 1/2 pot, so I will bet 425. I don't want to make a huge bet here as the opp has already called a preflop raise and a flop raise, so they obviously have a hand and I don't want to value-own myself to an opp's 3x or 66.

The river should be a blank and the opp open-shoves. With this line, I'm expecting to see 3x or better the overwhelming majority of the time and due to this, I need to fold the river (if I had to put the opp on a single hand instead of a range, this line is consistent with A3s). Basically the only hands in the opp's range that I'm ahead of are JJ, QQ and a busted flush draw as they may shove an overpair to the board. I wouldn't expect to see a busted flush show up here much though, as they were priced out both on the flop and the turn.

The key though is that I needed to bet 1/2 pot on the turn, which would have saved me an extra 415 chips (an extra 25% to my current stack).

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


6 Time Bracelet Winner

Sun Apr 06, 2014, 03:08 AM
GamblingProp's Avatar
Since: Jan 2013
Posts: 714
I agree that the turn sizing was bigger than normal.
I don't see why you should pot-bet there, the only thing it accomplishes is to fold worse hands, which we definitely want to keep at their range.
I am folding river as well, I don't think they are bluffing not even 10% of the times there.
Sun Apr 06, 2014, 04:15 AM
marvinsytan's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 6,453
was so confident with my hand and was so excited that I'm getting so much action that's why I bet pot on the turn

I think 50% is enough on the turn

the greedier I become the more I lose

thank you Coach John for a well rounded analysis

and thank you Gamblingprop and Joy for your inputs as well

appreciate it

so much to learn every time
Sun Apr 06, 2014, 05:39 AM
donkkilla76's Avatar
Since: Mar 2014
Posts: 107
you was probably right to lay down as the blind was low so was your raise and people call with pretty much anything to just see the flop i had one with ak suited hit top pair with flush shot as well hit flush on turn board was k649 river card 6 he was sitting there with 64.

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