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Live poker any tips welcome - Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:00 AM
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Hi everyone,

I have decided to take sometime off online poker as I haven't had much success but I find I have quite some success in live cash and live tournaments so I'm going to follow this and play a lot during May.

I have been building up a kitty for a while for this challenge and in May I think it will be perfect so I'm going to try it. I will have £1000 (~$1600) if I play cash generally I won't play above £0.50/£1 until the roll increases.

I have been reading up loads in the last couple of months when I haven't played much online poker and just wondered if there are any experienced live poker either cash or tournament players here who can give me any tips. I have played quite a lot of live so I know how it generally works but all tips are welcome.

Thanks,
Ash

Ps. wasn't sure on the forum if this is wrong please move this to the correct place mods.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:21 AM
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Live poker in my experience plays massively differently compared to online poker.

Most of your opponents will be terrible, the £0.50/£1 games play like fullring 2NL with lots of preflop limping, people never folding top pair or their draws.

Against these opponents, play pretty tight and make sure you value bet often, a lot of the live people like to gamble and don't like to be bullied off pots.

I notice you're playing in £, whereabouts do you play?
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:33 AM
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Rule 1 for me is: 'Learn quickly who your opponents are and adjust accordingly'

Are you going to be playing in the same card room/casino every week? Are the same faces showing up to play every week and are they experienced players or inexperienced loose calling stations?

Do you have an edge over them?

As for Bankroll you've got 10 x £100 buy-ins for a 100NL cash table. It's ok but can get eaten into very quickly especially when you hit a downswing. My advice would be to re-evaluate very often how it's going for you when your winning or losing.

Bring your A-game to the table every time. It's easy to start playing bad when surrounded by weak players that play too loose, don't get sucked into that style of play just for the sake of seeing action. Play with patience and know what ranges of hands you are going to play against what opponents and in what situations.

Use this thread to let us know how you got on in any session you play, did it go well or maybe something happened where you think you may have made a mistake. Post it in here and the other members will share any advice they may have.

Looking forward to reading about your live journey.

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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:06 AM
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Another tip - be friendly with the people you identify as the fish, especially the drunk fish! Even if you're typically a shy person like I am, I've found that engaging these people in conversation, making have fun whilst playing is massively +EV because they'll play soft against you, start showing you cards and probably give away some useful information about their holding.

I played a live session a few weeks ago and despite taking about £350 off him in a couple of hours, he was still seriously asking me if I wanted to move into his flat so that we could play poker together and crush the London poker scene
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 12:18 PM
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Here's a link to a post that I made (post 2).

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Sun Apr 13, 2014, 02:58 PM
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I notice you're playing in £, whereabouts do you play?
I live in Northamptonshire so I'm pretty central to a lot of big casinos so I will be hoping to travel around playing if it goes well.


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Rule 1 for me is: 'Learn quickly who your opponents are and adjust accordingly'

Are you going to be playing in the same card room/casino every week? Are the same faces showing up to play every week and are they experienced players or inexperienced loose calling stations?

Do you have an edge over them?

As for Bankroll you've got 10 x £100 buy-ins for a 100NL cash table. It's ok but can get eaten into very quickly especially when you hit a downswing. My advice would be to re-evaluate very often how it's going for you when your winning or losing.

Bring your A-game to the table every time. It's easy to start playing bad when surrounded by weak players that play too loose, don't get sucked into that style of play just for the sake of seeing action. Play with patience and know what ranges of hands you are going to play against what opponents and in what situations.

Use this thread to let us know how you got on in any session you play, did it go well or maybe something happened where you think you may have made a mistake. Post it in here and the other members will share any advice they may have.

Looking forward to reading about your live journey.

Raiser
I hope to adjust fast to notice my opposition most nights I will play in a local casino I have played a lot in which I know a lot of the players so I know how they play from playing with them before.

I will planning on taking £200 every time I go and going for £70/£65/£65 and if I'm up significantly I will leave before the game is done and this hopefully will mean I am able to absorb downswings and bad beats.

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Another tip - be friendly with the people you identify as the fish, especially the drunk fish! Even if you're typically a shy person like I am, I've found that engaging these people in conversation, making have fun whilst playing is massively +EV because they'll play soft against you, start showing you cards and probably give away some useful information about their holding.

I played a live session a few weeks ago and despite taking about £350 off him in a couple of hours, he was still seriously asking me if I wanted to move into his flat so that we could play poker together and crush the London poker scene
Haha that's awesome I would be interested in playing London is that where you play?

Also I am a talkative player already and am pretty confident in myself so I don't really need to work on this if anything I need to keep more serious in big hands.


Referring to Raiser I will be updating this thread with my progress. I will also just read through what that link says JWK and I will edit this post about that link when I have read it.
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014, 11:49 AM
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Here's a link to a post that I made (post 2).

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Thanks for your post John, I was going to ask you after reading that post do you have any tips for Live cash as I will be playing live cash during my challenge rather than tournaments I don't think tournaments at my local casinos have enough value to be playing.

Cash I will be playing is £0.50/£1 (Max buyin £300)
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:00 PM
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I follow the same philosophy with casino cash games vs tourneys. Must be doing something right too, as I played twice last week and was up over $250 at $1/$2 NL.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:18 PM
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My little bit of advice... when you get tilted... I mean when your Aces get cracked by KJo... leave your chips at the table and go to sit at the bar for a few minutes and have a free drink.

I've seen way too many people then go to try and bluff off a hand soon after or go all-in with any two broadways or any pair.

Oh... and first time you put your chips in, it's natural to be a little nervous even if you have the nuts!

Good luck!

Final request... if you are in driving distance of the South of England, give me a shout, as I'll come along to play too!

Thanks,

Apex
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:00 PM
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Spoke to Apex in Private messages, we might be playing together at some point.


I would like to add some money information this thread and hope maybe JWK, Spand or Raiser could give me some advice.

Assuming I go to my local casino which I will be doing 3 in 4 times because they have good cash games going.

I was planning on taking £200 a time which would be 20% of my bankroll, I would also be playing £0.50/£1.00 stakes which is the lowest stakes worth playing. The buyins are £30-£300, which allows for some pretty deepstacked games so I'm a lot more confident playing a shortstack and trying to build up a big stack from there.

I was planning on doing 3 buyins from my £200 at £70/£65/£65, which would mean my £1000 works out to be a total of 15 buyins. With this being said, I have regularly played a shortstack in this casino and got it up to £300 and left but I have also lost 3 buy ins very fast getting it in with a good hand pre and the people with bigger stacks called with hands like 56 and hitting two pair when I have overpairs.
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:05 AM
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Dave's the expert on cash games. When I play them, I'm always buying in for the table max. That way, if you pick up a big hand, you have more chips that the opp can double.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:58 AM
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I like to be the biggest stack so I can fully take advantage of any huge hands I receive and can get villains to call down three streets with top pair

These cash games are super loose, you'll regularly see 6-way or 7-way limped flops, so having a deep stack is also beneficial because it gives you great implied odds to limp in with Ax suited hands or suited connectors that you can win a huge pot with.
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:31 AM
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Dave's the expert on cash games. When I play them, I'm always buying in for the table max. That way, if you pick up a big hand, you have more chips that the opp can double.

John (JWK24)
I am 100% in agreement here.
You have an all-in with the nuts vs 2 opponents and a triple up
Would you rather have $5 (table min) or $10 (table max) now? $15 vs $30, big difference!
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:04 PM
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Assuming I go with 5 buyins then at £200 a time first time I go I will try £200 and see how it goes but hopefully I don't lose it.

So what I will do is go for the 5 buyins but I am planning on re evaluating my situation after every session what happens if the first session I lose my £200 what should I do? Should I continue to buyin for large amount for move down to my original plan?

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:05 PM
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It all depends on how much £200 is worth to you

If you can't afford to waste £200 then if you bust, wait awhile say a few days or a week, analyze your performance and decide if spending another £200 is worth it

Where do you plan on playing?

Also, have a goal to reach, otherwise you will end up stuck

I'd say x amount or x time and keep to it, even if you are in a downswing but it's time up or you hit your target with plenty of time left


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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:37 PM
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What is your local venue? This is just out of interest as I am afraid I don't have any live experience or advice to offer you. I do have friends in Northampton though as lived and worked in that area for a few years (way back when) before I ever played poker. Last time I visited them I noticed a casino in Northampton that looked like a new build - not sure how long it has been there. Think it is Aspers (I googled Northampton casinos and it looks like the right location - between Derngate Theatre and Carlsberg Brewery - two places I have visited there).

If you know it and it is any good I might give it a try next time I visit my pals.

Northamptonshire is very much a hub location to get to bigger places easily - like London/Birmingham by rail/road - and Nottingham is direct if not too far - wonder if you have tried Dusk Till Dawn Nottingham which is where the UKIPT is in May - it gets a lot of good reviews so might have good cash games too as it seems to be very poker oriented.

Best of luck with your cash games.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:04 PM
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It all depends on how much £200 is worth to you

If you can't afford to waste £200 then if you bust, wait awhile say a few days or a week, analyze your performance and decide if spending another £200 is worth it

Where do you plan on playing?

Also, have a goal to reach, otherwise you will end up stuck

I'd say x amount or x time and keep to it, even if you are in a downswing but it's time up or you hit your target with plenty of time left


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I mean £200 is worth a lot to me don't get me wrong, but I have been saving up with any spare money I have and have saved 1k into a bank account to try a shot at playing live poker, and I plan on playing at my closest good cash game which is about a half hour drive. I mean I'm not sure of my goal but to make profit? Do you get what I mean??


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What is your local venue? This is just out of interest as I am afraid I don't have any live experience or advice to offer you. I do have friends in Northampton though as lived and worked in that area for a few years (way back when) before I ever played poker. Last time I visited them I noticed a casino in Northampton that looked like a new build - not sure how long it has been there. Think it is Aspers (I googled Northampton casinos and it looks like the right location - between Derngate Theatre and Carlsberg Brewery - two places I have visited there).

If you know it and it is any good I might give it a try next time I visit my pals.

Northamptonshire is very much a hub location to get to bigger places easily - like London/Birmingham by rail/road - and Nottingham is direct if not too far - wonder if you have tried Dusk Till Dawn Nottingham which is where the UKIPT is in May - it gets a lot of good reviews so might have good cash games too as it seems to be very poker oriented.

Best of luck with your cash games.

Ed
My local venue is Apsers Northampton but cash is only any good there on Friday and Saturday I'm one of the regulars there, all the dealers know me haha. If you tell me when your around I'll come down and play with you, Milton Keynes which is a 30 minute drive away has much better cash game with more money but Northampton is a good game just some of them are major nits.

I have been to a number of casinos now including DTD and the Ricoh in Cov, personally I feel at low stakes the cash in my local two casino is better than in DTD as people in DTD didn't seem as loose. Also rake use to be ridiculously high at 10% of the pot!!

Thanks,
Ash
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:15 PM
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If you have saved £1000 for this, am I right that you are saying £200 is 5 buyins (so £40 a buyin)
That means you entire bankroll is 25 buyins.

I don't think this is the right limit to be starting playing live with unless I am missing something..
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:58 PM
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If you have saved £1000 for this, am I right that you are saying £200 is 5 buyins (so £40 a buyin)
That means you entire bankroll is 25 buyins.

I don't think this is the right limit to be starting playing live with unless I am missing something..
No I'm saying £200 is one buyin if I follow your, JWK and Spand's advice.
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:16 PM
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The games that I play are $1/$2 with a $200 max buy-in. When I go to the cage before I start to get chips, I buy 250-300 and keep the extra green chips in my pocket, incase I need to top up.

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