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POKER NEWS: Ivey in Deep Atlantic Trouble - Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:55 AM
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Nine-time WSOP Bracelet winner Phil Ivey has hit the NBC News in America for all the wrong reasons as it emerged that an Atlantic City casino has filed a federal lawsuit against Ivey. It's alleged that the world-renowned poker player exploited a flaw in the edging of the cards that unlawfully helped him cheat the casino out of $9.6 million while playing a card game known as Baccarat.

It's not the first time what Ivey has found himself in deep waters over this type of behavior. Last May he sued the Crockfords Casino for withholding £7.8 million (about $12 million) he won playing Punto Banco, a form of baccarat. Like Borgata, Crockfords claimed that Ivey used the "edge sorting" method at the casino.

So what's your opinion, is Ivey cheating or simply taking advantage of a weakness in quality of the cards to make a legitimate profit?


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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:03 AM
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I dont think the Casino will sue ivey without any evidence . cos ivey can sue them back for defamation . So there must be somthing here ..
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:59 AM
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Not that I agree with 'cheating the casino', but if he committed theft wouldn't he be in jail at this point?
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:24 PM
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Isn't he just using a tell in the cards?

Does the casino expect that Phil Should have said something along the lines of

"Gosh I can see a flaw in the cards but will ignore that with 6 million dollars on the line..."

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Borgatta law suit against Phil Ivey - Sun Apr 13, 2014, 02:04 AM
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I just read an article about a law suit against Phil Ivey.

The game in question is Baccarat. I don't know anything about how to play this game but the article really made no sense to me.

From what I took from it is that the casino supplied marked cards and is now suing Ivey because he exploited this.

Isn't it the casino's responsibility to make sure that the game is fair. I don't believe that they were unaware of the way the cards were printed and are now suing because somebody figured it out.

To me it seems strange they didn't remove these cards from play. If they would have, then they don't have this problem. Seems pretty fishy to me. I can only think of one reason for a casino to have marked cards.

I don't condone any forms of cheating but Ivey didn't mark the cards, he was playing with the cards the casino supplied.

Here is the link to the article if anybody wants to read it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ut-9-6m-n78626
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2014, 02:32 AM
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From what I have heard he actually requested a specific brand of cards be used, allegedly because he was aware of an exploitable flaw with the cards. The casino agreed because high rollers get special treatment (allegedly). Now the casino realizes Ivey may not be as dumb as they thought and they want their money back?


edit: Sooo... I posted this in the wrong thread, which is why I linked this thread in my post. I'm not crazy...

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Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:48 AM
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My opinion:

Ivey is smarter than Crockfords which is smarter than The Borgata.

The Borgata really wants people to know that it used to have a problem with "cheating".
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2014, 10:59 AM
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From what I have heard he actually requested a specific brand of cards be used, allegedly because he was aware of an exploitable flaw with the cards. The casino agreed because high rollers get special treatment (allegedly). Now the casino realizes Ivey may not be as dumb as they thought and they want their money back?

I guess we don't know the whole story. Still seems strange to me that these cards were allowed to be put in play.

I know if I ran a casino, I would only allow cards printed by reputable companies that take steps in printing their card backs to insure that they are not readable. Those companies would recall or send notices to their customers immediately if there was some error in the printing of the cards that made them exploitable.

That being said if I were a player and noticed a flaw in the cards that I could read. I would certainly say something to the dealer. I would also notify the gaming commission and have them do an investigation to be sure the casino wasn't cheating the players.

I am reserving personal judgement until we see how this plays out, but if Ivey is guilty of cheating he should be punished to the full extent of the law just like everybody else!
 

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