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Can't make diff w/o ur advice - Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:05 AM
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PSO Open Skill Tournament #885887119, Freeroll
Hold'em No Limit - Level V (60/120)

im building my stack...

i 3BB raised before flop, and bought the BTN.

I hit top pair with top kicker, worrying about a made set
No one raised, so i made a big bet to protect my hand, or gain value.

maybe my problem is that my stack is too small now, the big bet made me all-in, and then i found out a slow played made set knocked me out.


Do you have any advice to this hand?

Hands before didn't give me nice hole cards....
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:14 AM
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Hi WiCD,

The only thing that I might have done different here was to shove all-in preflop. We've only got a 14 big blind stack so any action is going to make us pot committed. Better to get all the chips in the middle preflop with this stack.

As played, you hit top-pair with top kicker and got it in good. You were just unlucky that your opponent flopped a set, not much you could do about this and I think the play from both of you was pretty standard.

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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:48 AM
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Shoving on a raise preflop with 15bb and AQo is standard at all levels of play. You might want to watch some of
Chewme's videos to help get an idea of what hands you should be shoving here. Or take part in his sessions and ask questions, he doesn't bite, well not when the ref is looking. On the flop, you were doomed, nothing you could do. Your stack isn't big enough to do anything much but get it allin. If you bet or checked, instead of shoving the flop, it would be terrible to fold to a raise or shove. You usually have the best hand.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:08 AM
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Im getting that in preflop
You are too short to play this post flop effectivly since if you hit anything you are getting it all in no matter and if you don't then you are a bit stuck.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:08 AM
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PSO Open Skill Tournament #885887109, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level IX


Thank you very much for the analysises.

Here i got a similar one,... also 16BB stack, i think i made the same mistake, before i see your analysises

even worse, i was not on position, so all-in should be good.... i just didn't want all of them fold.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:13 AM
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Yes, absolutely ship it here preflop with your stack size.

By taking the line you did you allowed the villain to see a cheap enough flop which he hit really well and was never going to give up on the hand after hitting a flop like that.

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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:58 AM
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hi WiCD,

it´s not bad in a tournament if 3 limpers fold after a shove! You will get 3 BB with another 240 antes. This will allow you to get more pressure on your opponents and your blind steals will be more affective!

And sometimes you will get a call from a really worse hand, because a bb shove will look like you just want to get the money they put in the middle

greezzz
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:06 AM
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Never never never ever min 3bet! If you want to play like that take up fixed limit holdem. Limpers usually have small pairs or suited connectors/gappers, they are looking to see cheap flops. If you have a premium, raise them up or shove. This goes for tourneys, sngs and cash games. Don't bloat the pot in ways that will get called by multiple players. On the flop, it is much easier to play fit or fold with these hands than it is to play an overpair. You have no way of knowing where AA stands on many, many flops. So make a big committing raise or shove, if they fold your stack grows significantly, if one calls you more than double up 80% of the time.

Don't feel too bad about losing after the flop, even the best players in the world get stacked a lot when they have AA and shallow stacks. When stacks are deep, 100bbs, AA wins small and medium pots and loses medium and big pots.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:51 PM
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Hand 1 - too small of a raise preflop. I need to raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper (480). no more, no less.
Flop, my chips are going in the middle.

Hand 2 - cannot min raise. I must make a standard raise, which for this blind level is to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper. If I bet less than this, I give the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me and if I lose, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.
Flop - I cannot overbet the flop without shoving. With 3 opps, a standard bet is 3/4 pot, so that is what I will bet.

I want to be making standard bets. Players that bet more with better hands and less with marginal ones are basically turning their cards face-up to an observant opponent... something that I absolutely need to avoid.

Also, please keep it to one hand per thread, that way the conversations about the hands can stay on topic.

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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theChiffre_S View Post
it´s not bad in a tournament if 3 limpers fold after a shove! You will get 3 BB with another 240 antes. This will allow you to get more pressure on your opponents and your blind steals will be more affective!
In a standard cash tourney, yes.. BUT NOT IN A LEAGUE GAME. These have a totally different strategy that is different from a standard mtt. In a league, I do not want to be all-in unless I know my hand will be the best after all 5 cards are on the board. I cannot take chances, as the one and only goal in them is to outlast other players to obtain more league points for the monthly leaderboards.

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